Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Padudu]

So then there's no point in bringing it up. You don't get to arbitrarily get to decide what information can and can't be gleaned from it.



That's not contradictory in any way. You're literally saying here that "The fact that there ARE people who mod is an argument enough to include it" as if the actual # doesn't matter. It does.

Lmao bro I would have never brought it up as a point to begin with had they not insisted that only a small number of people want ungendered poses/idles/whatever and then insist on it being a fact. Me, you, them, and everyone else in this thread cannot say for an objective fact that it's "only a small number of people" my dude. I'm not sure why you can't grasp this concept. So it's either ALL significant or none of it is. But don't sit here and pretend like "small number of people" is a true statement lmao. Let me remind me of the point of where this all started:

You do realize the forums makes up a tiny percentage of the player base right?

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.

The picture your painting is also incorrect and false btw. Let me know when you have actual numbers to claim it's a "small number". Also, please consider the fact that the site is like.. not an end all, be all modding website, there are multiple - discords upon discords, ect ect ect.

No one is saying there isn't an interest. What I am contending is your insistent need to say that it is, without a doubt, a small number of people. Which is like I said before, you and I cannot know that lmao.

[Joven]

When I'm reading posts I usually assume that sections where I'm quoted are for me and sections where others are quoted aren't. I may not have read everything you meant for me if it was under other people's quotes.

Anyway, on the subject of mod counts, you're comparing downloads to 25 million players. What exactly does that tell us? Not everyone uses mods, not everyone plays the same way. Of those 25 million, how many are English speaking, since it was an English site that the mods came from right? I don't think JP and European users would search for the same downloads as US players. I myself want unlocked emotes, but I have zero mods for such a thing. So is the download count accurate, or is underrepresentative of the demand? Lastly I'm pretty sure all of this was brought up after you said the pro unlock side was small. So again, when you said that, there was no supporting evidence.

That person is really stuck on the fact that I pulled up mod downloads huh lol. The number of downloads ultimately isn't important. What is important is that you can't just say "oh the number of people who want unlocked poses is small, the forum is small!" while simultaneously rejecting the fact that outside the forum, people who mod or have access to them, download gendered poses themselves. You can't just put blinders on bcos it doesn't support your narrative lmao. My whole point is that there is, indeed a number of players who might not vocalize the want for it, but they will search for means to get it. Those people still matter.

Anyways, at least me throwing a tangible number, however small is better than sticking to "it's a small amount of people, trust me" and shading a potential possibility that it may not be as small as they want it to be.

Modding is a small subset of players. On that site the highest viewed mod was only at 664+k. If I were to be generous and say the the actual amout of people who use mods were 5 times higher than that it would still only be around 13% of the total playerbase. Seeing as those searching for this particular mod is only 4% of that original number, not taking into consideration the view/download count could be resgistering multiple views/downloads from the same people, then it's safe to assume that across the entire modding community the amount of people looking for this particular mod is going to be largely insignificant to the total number of people who play.

Nobody ever doubted there would be interest in this, but to actively dismiss the numbers you yourself brought up because they don't paint the picture you wanted is disingenous.

[Bobby66]

Did not mean to pose a loaded question, I just was seeking clarification. It largely seems preference is thr largest motivator. So if that is the case would the suggestion of a favorite pose selection be a good enough middle ground? Both sides get to express their preferences.

[Midareyukki]

This thread:

[Padudu]

LMAO tbf from the second gender and unisex was mentioned, this thread never had a chance

[GTK0HLK]

...and the "outside demand" was small. Tiny. Miniscule.

You're going in circles. Simply saying "There's a demand for this" while arbitrarily handwaving the size of said demand is dishonest as it comes.

Not with us, mind you, yourself.

Let it go, everyone has gotten either past the point, or will stick to what they know for themselves to be true of what the thread became.<aka, it will not change opinions>

Would you be able to provide accurate numbers that all can agree with as being accurate. cause if you can't offer anything. then it's high time for all current participants <excluding new players, who've yet to give their view> to move on(unless they're replied to again)

It only appears handwaving to you. cause it cannot be waved for any direction asides the fact that people who do want it exist.[the amount doesn't matter in the long term. and unless you can provide a number that is undeniable to show your viewpoint as likely, which is that it's for "no one" but a certain type of user. then all we can do is move on.]

[DRHaymaker]

Let it go

You're more than free to ignore me.

I can't give the amount of threads/people NOT asking for something. That literally doesn't exist - it's a foolish argument to make.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Can anyone explain why there are so many arguments in this thread? Even if you don't care about more poses yourself, what is the issue here?

[Amenara]

Can anyone explain why there are so many arguments in this thread? Even if you don't care about more poses yourself, what is the issue here?

People hit the slippery slopes of how there will no longer be race/gender identity if the new sitting poses were made gender neutral. Still waiting on someone to answer whether you can have random sitting poses like the random idle standing poses or if that argument was complete BS. I would check in game but I can't since I am at work

[RobynDaBank]

People hit the slippery slopes of how there will no longer be race/gender identity if the new sitting poses were made gender neutral. Still waiting on someone to answer whether you can have random sitting poses like the random idle standing poses or if that argument was complete BS. I would check in game but I can't since I am at work

I looked the other day and you can't. Idle cycling works only for standing (I have that enabled). Can log on later and show settings once I'm able.

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