Ungendered sit poses, please?

[DRHaymaker]

I mean.. then why not ask SE to allow ungendered sits so people don't feel compelled

You are not compelled to break the ToS. This is such an obnoxious, childish "I don't take full responsibility for my own decisions/actions" statement. No one forced, pressured or coerced anyone to download a mod to sit differently, ESPECIALLY since literally NOT A SINGLE OTHER PERSON can see it.

I think most people complain that the forums/twitter/reddit is insufferable to an omega degree, but people can still recognize and concede that sometimes good topics/points are made on all platforms.

This isn't one of them.

No one is forcing you to not use the ungendered sits either btw, yet here you are arguing like it's a bad thing to include.

.
No one is forcing you to download mods either. Those animations are already included - play the other sex if you want it that badly.

You'd be surprised that there's a generous amount of overlap between people who RP and people who raid. These aren't mutually exclusive activities, you know.

I said "comparatively niche". I know there's overlap, but it's a small amount. And an even smaller amount than that are the people who need ungendered sitting poses.

That's pretty subjective for you to say

...no. Objectively, you do not play the game if you're sitting around and talking. That's literally just called chatting. Emoting does not transform it into gameplay.

You sure don't act like you're fully aware when you try to bring up a weak point of "console players don't just sit around using keyboards" lol.

I'm going to quote what I said in it's entirely, since now you're either forgetful or deliberately misquoting me.

If the argument is "what about people who play on consoles?", simply put, I have a hard time believing there's a lot of people who play on consoles who are sitting around using a (virtual) keyboard. That's just not what people game on consoles do.

Emphasis mine.

[DRHaymaker]

Sure, there's no definite ways to please everyone. But they are still trying to make the game customizable as possible.

Again, sitting isn't an aspect of character customization.

How you sit/idle/ect IS a way to customize your character believe it or not.

Having an emotional investment into every single possible aspect of your character doesn't make it a customizable feature, it just makes you emotional, even unreasonable the stronger you feel about it, and insufferable to everyone else listening to it.

Some people prefer

Having a preference doesn't entitle you to have it. Like I said, this isn't even about the do's and don'ts, but the can'ts. A lot of people prefer to have something different in various aspects of life, but people learn to to appreciate the things they DO have. That's called being an adult.

You think in black and white and I will politely, but firmly start asking you to at least think in CMYK when you know doggone well they didn't answer anything at all lmao.

You literally asked them a question that had 2 choices - feminine and masculine. If it's not one, it's the other. You're not as smart and nuanced as you think you are.

[Bobby66]

So why not just unlock sitting options for all? It appears you no care either way, why turn down more positions for characters to use? A lalafell with the cat boy sit stance would be funny.

[DRHaymaker]

So why not just unlock sitting options for all? It appears you no care either way, why turn down more positions for characters to use? A lalafell with the cat boy sit stance would be funny.

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

[Padudu]

You literally asked them a question that had 2 choices - feminine and masculine. If it's not one, it's the other. You're not as smart and nuanced as you think you are.

Too lazy to quote entirely you cos, lazy. So again: yeah I literally asked them a question and they didn't answer it. Never said or think that I'm smart lmao, but they deflected with their answer. I'm sorry you can't seem to accept that I can, in fact, call out their answer as a shitty one. Because it is.

And honestly, my points just boil down to what Bobby is asking: why insist you don't care about ungendering the sits when you argue this passionately about it? Like obviously you either care or you don't right lol.

You are not compelled to break the ToS. This is such an obnoxious, childish "I don't take full responsibility for my own decisions/actions" statement.

No one is forcing you to download mods either. Those animations are already included - play the other sex if you want it that badly.

Sure I worded it shitty, but point still stands that modding the game doesn't solve the problem lol. Your answer previous to that one is just as obnoxious. /shrug

Why should I have to play as male to put my hands behind my head? I play as female because I can and want to. Putting your hands behind your head isn't like, an exclusively male thing. Why do you care so much about people wanting to ungender positions lmao?

...no. Objectively, you do not play the game if you're sitting around and talking. That's literally just called chatting. Emoting does not transform it into gameplay.

Mmm, part of the MMO experience is the chatting/emotes/socials otherwise they wouldn't cater to that side. QoL changes include housing items, adding emotes, being able to dye undyable outfits.

Again, sitting isn't an aspect of character customization.

You can literally customize the way you sit and stand, so yes, it is apart of character customization. If you can change it, you can customize it. Doesn't matter if it works apart from the character creation menu, clothing, ect.

Having a preference doesn't entitle you to have it. Like I said, this isn't even about the do's and don'ts, but the can'ts. A lot of people prefer to have something different in various aspects of life, but people learn to to appreciate the things they DO have. That's called being an adult.

Bro it's a game that we all pay into and pay for. I'm happy with their progress with making things more customizable and gender neutral; I would like to further enhance my experience by supporting the suggestion they ungender idles and sits. No one is demanding (or perhaps I should just say, for myself I am asking). We are asking lmao. So again, why is the adult in you thinking that sitting criss-cross-applesauce or squatting unfeminine or impossible to add for the opposite sex? It doesn't even have to be lalafell squatting; just ungender the animations between the races. Let female miqotes squat too.

[Joven]

Omg, it's just pixels. You're not freakin forced to use male sit positions lol

"Omg, it's just pixels. You're not freakin forced into gendered stereotypes lol." See how that sounds?

This is based on what? I've seen more people complain about the limitations and being driven to fantasia than anything else.

Based on the fact that they give you a sample pool of emotes during character customization to show off the race/gender's personalities. If you went through that whole process and clicked accept then you were drawn to and accepted that race/gender as they were presented. Deciding after the fact that they somehow don't conform to how you want to play them in your head is wholey on you.

That means you have no idea how many people want to have poses unlocked because you're dealing with a small sample size.

Informally, I've heard many more players speak against limitations inside the game itself. Perhaps the small outlier group is the one that is for the status quo.

The same could be said for your anecdotal "many more players" you've allegedly spoken to about this. At least the forums are a somewhat measurable metric, unlike your hearsay. I could just as easily say I've talked to many people who think the idea of allowing each gender to use the other's emotes is dumb.

You do realize people post about this game outside the forum right? People on Twitter/Reddit literally ask for things like this all the time.

Better yet, if you want to do a deep dive, there are forbidden sites that have gender swapped idles/sits/poses. I welcome you to check out the number of downloads and views those have.

Going by the site a friend of mine uses, in the "most viewed" category, the highest viewed item was at 664k for a firmer fanny. Emotes barely cracked the 100k mark and those were custom ones that had nothing to with gender. Not exactly what I would call a sizable group compared the number of players.

Also, I asked the question towards you: is crossing your legs or squatting masculine or feminine? It doesn't answer my question when my question is asking for your opinion, silly.

Depends on how you cross them and masculine.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

It's bad enough we have male characters like Hrothgars and Male Miqo all dressed in drags and looking as obnoxious as possible to the point it is a major eyesore.

[Padudu]

It's bad enough we have male characters like Hrothgars and Male Miqo all dressed in drags and looking as obnoxious as possible to the point it is a major eyesore.

I'm surprised you're not just used to it, tbh. It's not my favorite thing to look at either but it's how people want to dress up as, it's not my business lol.

[DRHaymaker]

Too lazy

Your first paragraph can really be summed up with this.

And honestly, my points just boil down to what Bobby is asking: why insist you don't care about ungendering the sits when you argue this passionately about it?

Who has said "They don't care about ungendered sitting poses"? And once again, like I said to him, feeling passionately about something doesn't entitle you to anything. You're never going to express more feelings to inflate the numbers of the extreme niche audience you claim to be speaking for.

Sure I worded it shitty, but point still stands that modding the game doesn't solve the problem lol. Your answer previous to that one is just as obnoxious. /shrug

It's not a problem.
No one is forcing you to download mods.
Tough luck.

I play as female because I can and want to.

And CBU3 made it the way they did because they could and wanted to. How are you on the same level as them using that excuse?

Why do you care so much about people wanting to ungender positions lmao?

Because I'm tired of people catering to the mentality of children that want what they can't have, and are perpetually unhappy. I defend the devs decisions to have SOME gender/race specific aspects.

Mmm, part of the MMO experience is the chatting/emotes/socials otherwise they wouldn't cater to that side. QoL changes include housing items, adding emotes, being able to dye undyable outfits.

Haha, decoration, emotes, and being able to color your armor is not a QoL feature. QoL features are things that you can ALREADY DO, but made easier, IE an UI improvement, or coloring the text differently.

You can literally customize the way you sit and stand,

You chose one of # options. Those options will never be unique to someone else who also chose those options. I won't be continuing to entertain these assumptions. You can romanticize "I sit a different way" as "character customization" all you want, but just, no.

I'm happy

You're not. We're 22~ pages in, and you're not.

It's never enough. Everything is progress with you people. Nothing is ever good/great, everything "could be better" or "a good first step". There is always something you realize you don't/can't have. It's never something that has a strong impact on people, it's always something some four figure amount of people out of the MILLIONS that play want, and it's always the same emotionally based arguments for it; "Why are you against something that makes other people happy?" "You don't even care." "How does it harm you?".

Enough of you people.

[Clover_Blake]

I haven't read everything, so this might have been pointed out by anyone already, but I'd like to share my two cents.

One of the reasons why I (and maybe some other people) wouldn't like such an option is... There's a feature that automatically rotates all the poses every X seconds. Many characters would be forced to use those poses, so it's not as simple as "don't like it, don't use it".