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    Joven's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    Also, your friend absolutely sucks at searching for these things. Tell them to do better. Let's look exclusively at the swaps:

    The forbidden mod to add emotes to everyone sits at 4.9K downloads, 25.3k views. Male Miqote Squat to Female Miqo Squat: 13.1k views, 3.5k downloads. Somewhere there are fem --> male or male --> female swapped job idles, victories, ect that sit more or less around the same numbers. Hardly insignificant IMO, definitely not as low as you're making it seem. They are, unfortunately, splintered across multiple mods; booty mod being at higher views doesn't really invalidate the fact that gender swaps/animations are particularly high in view, even when they're newer.
    "High in view". Roughly 8k downloads and 38k views across two different features is completely insignificant numbers based on the millions of players who play this game. I stopped at 100k during the search because even then that's still extremely minor league numbers. Maybe when the game first started those might seem like significant numbers, but we're long past that point.

    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    As you said, you're only given a small sample of emotes, not enough to be certain of anything. You're also given no indication of how emotes work or if you can change them later on. They just play while you're testing voices. Your point doesn't really hold up. People change their characters after creation because the editor often doesn't provide enough information to make a decision in the first place.

    And this isn't even considering what the player is trying to accomplish the first time through the editor. Are they unaware of the RP potential of FF14 and just trying the game after seeing good ratings? If so they might not pay much attention to emotes and mannerisms only to much later find out that they can be significant when it comes to character expression. There is no way to truly evaluate a character short of playing it. When new players ask for advice when attempting to fantasia I can almost grantee that someone will suggest testing characters as alts before using the fantasia. There would not be a need if what you said was accurate.
    It doesn't change the fact that they are presented in a certain way. If that way runs counter to what you want or expect after the fact then that's still no fault of theirs.

    Quote Originally Posted by PyurBlue View Post
    Which is why I brought it up. If we're going to use the weakest of evidence it becomes pretty easy to support any conclusion you want.
    Except that despite being a small sample size it's still a visible metric unlike "he said, she said". It's also an argument for why there needs to be a dislike button on here as well.
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    PyurBlue's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It doesn't change the fact that they are presented in a certain way. If that way runs counter to what you want or expect after the fact then that's still no fault of theirs.
    What do wants and expectations have to do with anything? You cannot know anything about what the editor does not show you, which is a lot. Again, the point you're trying to make falls flat.



    Except that despite being a small sample size it's still a visible metric unlike "he said, she said". It's also an argument for why there needs to be a dislike button on here as well.
    Being visible doesn't make it useful. If you can find an accurate metric that represents the portion of the community that is interested in unlocked poses, then you might be able to say that it's a niche desire. You can't make up statistics just because you don't have data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clover_Blake View Post
    There's a feature that automatically rotates all the poses every X seconds. Many characters would be forced to use those poses, so it's not as simple as "don't like it, don't use it".
    Ideally this could be changed as well. It's not like every pose in the current cpose list is universally liked as it is.
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    Last edited by PyurBlue; 01-25-2023 at 06:31 AM.