Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Joven]

I'll never understand why people feel like this. No one is asking for a house for free, they're asking for the opportunity to own the kind they want. That's a facet of a game. It is something you pay for. Square Enix has an obligation to make the game suck less when they can; so the critique is constructive and valid. The housing system in its entirety up until this point has sucked huge ass; specifically because it isn't instanced and is finite. Even more so because there's the supply issue varies from place to place, but the "demand" is always for plot sizes people want that they should be able to purchase if they have the gil.

But that is the attitude many people have about this: "I pay a subscription, I deserve access to everything in the game." Well you have access. Is it great? No, but the oportunity is still there. Housing has always been first come first serve ever since it's inception. Even if if every ward was free of multi-house hoarders there's still no guarantee of a house, much less the one you want.

The scarcity means there isn't an opportunity. Getting people to switch DCs is an option but it's not a solution; especially since the spots and sizes in question are occupied or not for sale at all.

Not to mention, playing on a foreign DC? Like after a certain point you have to reasonably just step back and say like: "Maybe I shouldn't have had to do that? Maybe it isn't my fault?"
I can understand if you're trying to be constructive, but you're kind of capitulating a little much to how awful it is to say that it's a normal thing for people to do to transfer to a foreign data center. I wouldn't have called that "unhinged," but I would say it's an observably bad kind of desperate.

You, me and everyone else here can make all the proposed solutions to this situation as we want, but until Squeenix is ready to nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses nothing is going to change. I was just trying to give an active idea for those interested.

A little beyond what should be acceptable for a company of this size.

This is a tired argument. A company's resources aren't unlimited regardless of how large they are and several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either.

Lol okay bro, make assumptions off of nothing, I never said I was owed a house or anything of the sort, but pop off I guess. Nor did I call you unhinged, I said the solution you were offering sounds unhinged, and then you went into aggro mode because someone disagreed with you. It's a bad workaround for anyone, you shouldn't be expected to have to spend real money to have a *chance* at a house. That's just outright predatory. The solution right now is literally more wards until SE can manage something that's less of a bandaid and more of a an actual fix, which we all know probably won't be coming. The raffle system is fair (though idk how fair it is for FCs to have multiple members zerg a plot with bids, but other than that!) even if it's frustrating, pretty sure most of us here agree with that.

"I'm not calling *you* unhinged, just your ideas. Totally different, teehee." Right.

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing. What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand. At least I offered something you can do that's not just to continually slamming your head against the wall that is the housing market expecting it to suddenly get better. But sure, continue to scream into the void if it makes you feel better.

[Corvus_V]

But that is the attitude many people have about this: "I pay a subscription, I deserve access to everything in the game." Well you have access. Is it great? No, but the oportunity is still there. Housing has always been first come first serve ever since it's inception. Even if if every ward was free of multi-house hoarders there's still no guarantee of a house, much less the one you want.
You, me and everyone else here can make all the proposed solutions to this situation as we want, but until Squeenix is ready to nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses nothing is going to change. I was just trying to give an active idea for those interested.

Anyone who takes the addition to instanced housing alongside the ward system as a personal offense is weird and unnatural and their opinion should be discarded, just like the opinions of housing traders and RMTers. If you're going to argue that it's unfair for the people who suffered through the ward system, then I've got bad news for you about placard spamming and the people who were trying to relocate to larger houses.
Also, by definition, the scarcity and the fact that plots fill up means there is no opportunity. That's the point. That's the attitude people should have. For some reason you're arguing for them to do less. Like maybe you wouldn't be so poor if you won the mega millions?

This is a tired argument. A company's resources aren't unlimited regardless of how large they are and several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either.

Yours is the tired argument. Their resources don't have to be unlimited to do more than be shady and cheap, they already cut corners in dozens of other areas of the game, the game isn't in financial dire straits with everything at risk of collapsing. They can do more, and them "throwing money at it" is a simpleton's reductive way of putting it. No one in this thread has even once pointed out why this is actually verifiably 100% a technical limitation of the game. On the other hand, I've pointed out why it's possible, because the feature is already there and it just sucks. If, in actuality, it was a problem, I could theoretically just give thousands of people 600k to buy an FC apartment and a regular apartment, and crash the game for everyone, everywhere. If that's not the problem, it's the decorations, which this approach would put above 400 per player per instance. Or, it was a non-issue, like I'm saying; and they're being lazy, which is way more likely.

If you aren't arguing that, then logically you're arguing they added something into the game they knew little to nobody would want because of how much it sucks and is totally inadequate. So, how about no?

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing.

What must be done? What the hell are you talking about? Didn't you just say it's impossible? Am I talking to two people, or one? Maybe you're like a figment of my imagination or something and I'm talking to myself, because this is literally what I'm suggesting. I'm not entirely sure why you haven't picked that up.

[Corvus_V]

What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand.

And who's fault is that? Maybe the people who designed it? If you have anyone else to blame, or you're answer is "no one" you've got a weird take. That's at least partially why it's their responsibility to fix it in a way that doesn't make it just suck for slightly less people, akin to the way they've been doing it by adding a few wards every 6 months.

continue to scream into the void if it makes you feel better.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice if you think discussing or critiquing a game is "screaming into a void." They sorely need to hear the feedback whether you want to be a contrarian about it or not.

[ThaCa]

Old system - had no house.

New system - have a house.

New wins for me.

[Corvus_V]

Old system - had no house.

New system - have a house.

New wins for me.

Would be great if that was the case for everyone, wouldn't it?

[Raim]

Two words less and this would've been ideal. I'll keep saying it till it gets through. Housing doesn't have to suck.

There is no solution to this that pleases everyone outside of letting people purchase whatever house they want in whatever nation they want. You'll see a lot less in ward competition if your ghost town is so much more important to you than it is to just have the appropriate size and decoration limit. Either way, it is absolutely an acceptable alternative to the fact that without the in ward spot, you simply can't decorate anything of that size in the backdrop you'd prefer. Like running a dungeon with NPCs is an option for people who don't or cant play with other players. It doesn't need to suck. People have every right to be upset, and people don't need to get upset either if SE would work on it or confirm that they are. They have the fucking money and ability to do it.

They make small instanced areas you can only move around a little in with beautiful backdrops constantly. Literally just look at the dungeons and trials. They know how to do it.
I can own 2 apartments. Just like anyone can. You cannot be outbid for an FC or regular apartment. 1 FC apartment, and 1 regular apartment. That's 2. 1 interior, 1 exterior. It doesn't have to suck.

The problem with the old first come first serve system was not just that people with good PCs and luck when logging in got the best plots, but that FCFS allows people to often sell plots and engage in RMT. Back in the day tons of people grabbed plots just so they could sell them for real money or like 10x the gil price. Thats impossible now days because of how the system changed.

[Joven]

Anyone who takes the addition to instanced housing alongside the ward system as a personal offense is weird and unnatural and their opinion should be discarded, just like the opinions of housing traders and RMTers. If you're going to argue that it's unfair for the people who suffered through the ward system, then I've got bad news for you about placard spamming and the people who were trying to relocate to larger houses.
Also, by definition, the scarcity and the fact that plots fill up means there is no opportunity. That's the point. That's the attitude people should have. For some reason you're arguing for them to do less.

Who said I'm taking the idea of instanced housing as a personal offence? You seem to be the one taking offence to literally everything anyone suggests to the contrary. No oportunities? Houses come open all the time due to the demo timer and people leaving the game or just giving up their plots in general. Just because you're too impatient doesn't mean the oportunities aren't there.

Yours is the tired argument. Their resources don't have to be unlimited to do more than be shady and cheap, they already cut corners in dozens of other areas of the game, the game isn't in financial dire straits with everything at risk of collapsing. They can do more, and them "throwing money at it" is a simpleton's reductive way of putting it. No one in this thread has even once pointed out why this is actually 100% a technical limitation of the game. On the other hand, I've pointed out why it's possible, because the feature is already there and it just sucks. If, in actuality, it was a problem, I could theoretically just give thousands of people 600k to buy an FC apartment and a regular apartment, and crash the game for everyone, everywhere. If that's not the problem, it's the decorations, which this approach would put above 400 per player per instance.

If you aren't arguing that, then logically you're arguing they added something into the game they knew little to nobody would want because of how much it sucks and is totally inadequate. So, how about no?

You don't know what their limitations are or are not so all you're doing is getting angry at all the wrong people here just because you aren't getting what you want.

What must be done? What the hell are you talking about? Didn't you just say it's impossible? Am I talking to two people, or one? Maybe you're like a figment of my imagination or something and I'm talking to myself, because this is literally what I'm suggesting. I'm not entirely sure why you haven't picked that up.

Where did I say it was impossible? Where? Give me the exact quote. I said unless they're willing to do what must be done and piss off a lot of people. By which I mean they need to limit houses to 2 per account. 1 personal and 1 FC and allow players to sell the houses they don't want. They can limit that by making where they can't charge more than market value.

And who's fault is that? Maybe the people who designed it? If you have anyone else to blame, or you're answer is "no one" you've got a weird take. That's at least partially why it's their responsibility to fix it in a way that doesn't make it just suck for slightly less people, akin to the way they've been doing it by adding a few wards every 6 months.

It certainly isn't my fault so getting pissy with me solves nothing. So take that attitude and shove it somewhere unpleasant.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice if you think discussing or critiquing a game is "screaming into a void." They sorely need to hear the feedback whether you want to be a contrarian about it or not.

This has been an ongoing problem since housing was introduced. They gave everyone the lotto system they wanted and now people are complaining about that. Your "feedback" is nothing new and has been reitterated for years.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Old system - had no house.

New system - have a house.

New wins for me.

That's good for you but there 1000s of players who still haven't gotten a house since rng hasn't smiled on them as it has on you. You were lucky just like the ppl who got a house with the old system were lucky. As others said it's mostly a supply issue not really a lottery issue but that doesn't change the fact that the lottery is still a feelbad system. It's not fun looking for a lot week after week praying that rng god is going to bless you that day but when it doesn't you have to do the walk of shame to get your money back and watch as the lucky person enjoys their new house just bc they were luckier than you. The lottery is slight, only slightly better than the old system but it doesn't do anything to the main issue in 14 and that is there are still not enough houses of any type to go around. New ppl can't get a small unless they really lucky and ppl who have been playing for so long cant upgrade to a bigger house when they want a higher item cap. As someone with so many housing items, I could never go back to a small bc that would mean I would have to throw out the items I work hard to make or spent money on. Eventally everyone will want to upgrade to a med or large just bc they out grow the small and its really low item and inv cap.

[Midareyukki]

Okay, I'm starting to see the "unhinged" part showing up...

Joven, calm down :x

[Corvus_V]

Who said I'm taking the idea of instanced housing as a person offence?

You said it right here.:

nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses

No one has any right to be pissed off at the addition of instanced housing so everyone can participate.

You seem to be the one taking offence to literally everything anyone suggests to the contrary. No oportunities? Houses come open all the time due to the demo timer and people leaving the game or just giving up their plots in general. Just because you're too impatient doesn't mean the oportunities aren't there.

Because more wards is a stupid idea. Also no, they don't. Do you even play this game?

You don't know what their limitations are or are not so all you're doing is getting angry at all the wrong people here just because you aren't getting what you want.

I know what their limitations are based on what already exists in the game whilst the server functions normally.

Where did I say it was impossible? Where? Give me the exact quote. I said unless they're willing to do what must be done and piss off a lot of people. By which I mean they need to limit houses to 2 per account. 1 personal and 1 FC and allow players to sell the houses they don't want. They can limit that by making where they can't charge more than market value.

You also said this.:

several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either

"Throwing money," which again, is a reductive and disingenously simple way of saying "pay people who develop the game to create a solution."

It certainly isn't my fault so getting pissy with me solves nothing. So take that attitude and shove it somewhere unpleasant.

Sounds violent, like something someone unhinged would say. I never blamed you. I was giving you a thought exercise and pointing out how obviously shitty they've handled it.

This has been an ongoing problem since housing was introduced. They gave everyone the lotto system they wanted and now people are complaining about that. Your "feedback" is nothing new and has been reitterated for years.

They gave everyone the lotto system as a sweeping change because they were too lazy to do anything better. This was the path of least resistance. I'm complaining about it so they address it.