Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[TakumiHarada]

You know this would just make the whole RMT problem even worse right ? Because a lot of people dont have 3m, contrary to what you seem to think.

An auction system could be a good idea though, if people are willing to bid high amounts for a small beach house for example, let them have at it, that means they really want it.

RMT wasn't a huge problem then, RMT wouldn't be a huge problem now.
Not to mention RMTing to get gil for buying a house is one of the easiest things to track.
Besides, changing it to lottery didn't solve the problem.
There's plenty of FC trading right now. If anything, RMT can make loads of accounts to flood the lottery system and then resell the FC for real money.

[LaughingBanana]

Once in the old system, I suffered through clicking a placard for 12 hours straight and in the end I was very devastated that I still didn't get anything for my effort. It was horrendous, extremely excruciating, and I absolutely question the sanity of people claiming that the old system is better because I would *not* wish such an experience to even the worst of my enemies.

Also, to anyone saying "no one wish for a small house", shut your trap cause you're not speaking for everyone. I finally get a small house in Mist near the beach and I couldn't be happier.

[Minarisweet]

Its a bandage fix just like adding new plots

[Luca_]

All I gathered from OP is that they already have a house but lost their large relocation and they're salty about it lol

Anyway, something that often gets left out of these discussions is the fact that autodemo was off for literally longer than I've been playing FFXIV. There was absolutely no housing being freed up for years outside of server transfers or the very rare voluntary demolition. It completely broke the housing system to the point all SE could do was add more and more wards as a bandaid fix that worked for about a week or two every time they did before small plots shot right back up to 100+ bids each. Huge, huge mistake on their part and hopefully something that will improve the situation a bit now that it's back. The housing system sucks and was badly thought out, but players are too invested for them to really fix it in any meaningful way, so lotto is genuinely the best and most fair solution for now unless they figure out instanced housing sometime in the near future.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Once in the old system, I suffered through clicking a placard for 12 hours straight and in the end I was very devastated that I still didn't get anything for my effort. It was horrendous, extremely excruciating, and I absolutely question the sanity of people claiming that the old system is better because I would *not* wish such an experience to even the worst of my enemies.

Also, to anyone saying "no one wish for a small house", shut your trap cause you're not speaking for everyone. I finally get a small house in Mist near the beach and I couldn't be happier.

Its stories like this that absolutely make me go "excuse me?" To the people advocating for the old system. How much worse it stung that you wasted so much of your time and effort just to swiped away by another just because they happen to be at the right time. I cant imagine a worse feeling as such.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Its stories like this that absolutely make me go "excuse me?" To the people advocating for the old system. How much worse it stung that you wasted so much of your time and effort just to swiped away by another just because they happen to be at the right time. I cant imagine a worse feeling as such.

Don't get me wrong I think the lottery is heather and better than the old system just bc it's more convenient. That said let's not kid ourselves here, the feeling is still the same when you lose. The lottery does nothing to make losing better bc its all up to rng(about like the old system was) and just like the old system you still have to watch the winner enjoy themselves bc they had better luck than you since the game makes you go back to the house to get your gil back. It also sucks for those who may one-day want to upgrade or move to a better/nicer-looking area bc all areas in this game are not created equal. Some may love the goblet and more power to them but Im one of the ppl who hates it with every fiber of my bring. So much so that I'm looking to downgrade my house just so I can be in an area I enjoy more. Anyway back on topic both systems are feelbad systems, it's just that one is more convenient than the other.

[LaughingBanana]

Don't get me wrong I think the lottery is heather and better than the old system just bc it's more convenient. That said let's not kid ourselves here, the feeling is still the same when you lose. The lottery does nothing to make losing better bc its all up to rng(about like the old system was) and just like the old system you still have to watch the winner enjoy themselves bc they had better luck than you since the game makes you go back to the house to get your gil back. It also sucks for those who may one-day want to upgrade or move to a better/nicer-looking area bc all areas in this game are not created equal. Some may love the goblet and more power to them but Im one of the ppl who hates it with every fiber of my bring. So much so that I'm looking to downgrade my house just so I can be in an area I enjoy more. Anyway back on topic both systems are feelbad systems, it's just that one is more convenient than the other.

What kind of system that would allow a "less painful feeling" for the one that loses? Because we all know it is an impossibility that all the players in this game to get their own house, so there will *always* be someone that loses no matter what system they are using. there will *always* be someone that's gonna feel bad because they didn't get what they want.

Curious, what would you suggest? What kind of system that would give everyone a fancy-dory-kumbaya-happy feeling even when they lose?

[MrJPtheAssassin]

What kind of system that would allow a "less painful feeling" for the one that loses? Because we all know it is an impossibility that all the players in this game to get their own house, so there will *always* be someone that loses no matter what system they are using. there will *always* be someone that's gonna feel bad because they didn't get what they want.

Curious, what would you suggest? What kind of system that would give everyone a fancy-dory-kumbaya-happy feeling even when they lose?

Well for one thing make apartments better by making them upgradable to med to large floor plans and add a balcony that uses the skybox of the area you have the apartment in. That would be a start but I also would like IH so everyone has a house to choose what they want with it. I know IH would be a lot of work for the dev team but I rather they spend time and money on that than bid aid fixes like the lottery system and adding 5 to 10 wards per expac. If we can have IH then at least make the apartment as close to having a house as possible. You are right no system with the current ward system will feel good and that is why I don't like any of the systems I have done and rather them focus on other opinions for housing. As always the biggest issue in 14 is the supply but they havent done nothing to help fix that issue other than adding few wards each expac that get filled up within few cycles of the lottery.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Don't get me wrong I think the lottery is heather and better than the old system just bc it's more convenient. That said let's not kid ourselves here, the feeling is still the same when you lose. The lottery does nothing to make losing better bc its all up to rng(about like the old system was) and just like the old system you still have to watch the winner enjoy themselves bc they had better luck than you since the game makes you go back to the house to get your gil back. It also sucks for those who may one-day want to upgrade or move to a better/nicer-looking area bc all areas in this game are not created equal. Some may love the goblet and more power to them but Im one of the ppl who hates it with every fiber of my bring. So much so that I'm looking to downgrade my house just so I can be in an area I enjoy more. Anyway back on topic both systems are feelbad systems, it's just that one is more convenient than the other.

Not really? Because I lost due to rng, which is something out of my control. While placard clicking actually had some form of controllability with you having to continously click in the vein hope of catching that small window of opportunity aka you had a level of control there.


How about YOU not kid yourself with this.

[Ascended_Demon]

Not really? Because I lost due to rng, which is something out of my control. While placard clicking actually had some form of controllability with you having to continously click in the vein hope of catching that small window of opportunity aka you had a level of control there.


How about YOU not kid yourself with this.

I dunno, RNG may not have been as involved in the old system, which it very much was i.e. the invisible timer before the plot became available for purchase was random and if that isn't a form of RNG in your book then idk what is, but even without that luck was involved. No one else getting the house before you did, maybe less people showed up to the plot, you managed to already have a house and got to transfer in, etc. point is luck is there regardless. Frankly neither system is good in my book.

I got my house through the old system after waiting almost 12 hours and I fell asleep waiting, it was only because a friend who knew I was camping this plot who came by in the wee hours of the morning and sent me a tell that I woke up. I was planning on transferring worlds at one point for personal reasons that I will not be disclosing, but in the end I decided not to because I didn't want to have to deal with trying to get another house. Also I just feel like the lottery periods are too long. Five days to enter is far too generous in my opinion. Results period I'm iffy on but I'm not entirely sure if it's too much. I think a lottery/results period combined should last no more than a weekly cycle if they aren't going to come up with a better solution.