Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Joven]

I'll never understand why people feel like this. No one is asking for a house for free, they're asking for the opportunity to own the kind they want. That's a facet of a game. It is something you pay for. Square Enix has an obligation to make the game suck less when they can; so the critique is constructive and valid. The housing system in its entirety up until this point has sucked huge ass; specifically because it isn't instanced and is finite. Even more so because there's the supply issue varies from place to place, but the "demand" is always for plot sizes people want that they should be able to purchase if they have the gil.

But that is the attitude many people have about this: "I pay a subscription, I deserve access to everything in the game." Well you have access. Is it great? No, but the oportunity is still there. Housing has always been first come first serve ever since it's inception. Even if if every ward was free of multi-house hoarders there's still no guarantee of a house, much less the one you want.

The scarcity means there isn't an opportunity. Getting people to switch DCs is an option but it's not a solution; especially since the spots and sizes in question are occupied or not for sale at all.

Not to mention, playing on a foreign DC? Like after a certain point you have to reasonably just step back and say like: "Maybe I shouldn't have had to do that? Maybe it isn't my fault?"
I can understand if you're trying to be constructive, but you're kind of capitulating a little much to how awful it is to say that it's a normal thing for people to do to transfer to a foreign data center. I wouldn't have called that "unhinged," but I would say it's an observably bad kind of desperate.

You, me and everyone else here can make all the proposed solutions to this situation as we want, but until Squeenix is ready to nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses nothing is going to change. I was just trying to give an active idea for those interested.

A little beyond what should be acceptable for a company of this size.

This is a tired argument. A company's resources aren't unlimited regardless of how large they are and several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either.

Lol okay bro, make assumptions off of nothing, I never said I was owed a house or anything of the sort, but pop off I guess. Nor did I call you unhinged, I said the solution you were offering sounds unhinged, and then you went into aggro mode because someone disagreed with you. It's a bad workaround for anyone, you shouldn't be expected to have to spend real money to have a *chance* at a house. That's just outright predatory. The solution right now is literally more wards until SE can manage something that's less of a bandaid and more of a an actual fix, which we all know probably won't be coming. The raffle system is fair (though idk how fair it is for FCs to have multiple members zerg a plot with bids, but other than that!) even if it's frustrating, pretty sure most of us here agree with that.

"I'm not calling *you* unhinged, just your ideas. Totally different, teehee." Right.

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing. What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand. At least I offered something you can do that's not just to continually slamming your head against the wall that is the housing market expecting it to suddenly get better. But sure, continue to scream into the void if it makes you feel better.

[Corvus_V]

But that is the attitude many people have about this: "I pay a subscription, I deserve access to everything in the game." Well you have access. Is it great? No, but the oportunity is still there. Housing has always been first come first serve ever since it's inception. Even if if every ward was free of multi-house hoarders there's still no guarantee of a house, much less the one you want.
You, me and everyone else here can make all the proposed solutions to this situation as we want, but until Squeenix is ready to nut up and piss off a lot of people who already own houses nothing is going to change. I was just trying to give an active idea for those interested.

Anyone who takes the addition to instanced housing alongside the ward system as a personal offense is weird and unnatural and their opinion should be discarded, just like the opinions of housing traders and RMTers. If you're going to argue that it's unfair for the people who suffered through the ward system, then I've got bad news for you about placard spamming and the people who were trying to relocate to larger houses.
Also, by definition, the scarcity and the fact that plots fill up means there is no opportunity. That's the point. That's the attitude people should have. For some reason you're arguing for them to do less. Like maybe you wouldn't be so poor if you won the mega millions?

This is a tired argument. A company's resources aren't unlimited regardless of how large they are and several people on here have already pointed out why them throwing more money at this isn't a solution either.

Yours is the tired argument. Their resources don't have to be unlimited to do more than be shady and cheap, they already cut corners in dozens of other areas of the game, the game isn't in financial dire straits with everything at risk of collapsing. They can do more, and them "throwing money at it" is a simpleton's reductive way of putting it. No one in this thread has even once pointed out why this is actually verifiably 100% a technical limitation of the game. On the other hand, I've pointed out why it's possible, because the feature is already there and it just sucks. If, in actuality, it was a problem, I could theoretically just give thousands of people 600k to buy an FC apartment and a regular apartment, and crash the game for everyone, everywhere. If that's not the problem, it's the decorations, which this approach would put above 400 per player per instance. Or, it was a non-issue, like I'm saying; and they're being lazy, which is way more likely.

If you aren't arguing that, then logically you're arguing they added something into the game they knew little to nobody would want because of how much it sucks and is totally inadequate. So, how about no?

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing.

What must be done? What the hell are you talking about? Didn't you just say it's impossible? Am I talking to two people, or one? Maybe you're like a figment of my imagination or something and I'm talking to myself, because this is literally what I'm suggesting. I'm not entirely sure why you haven't picked that up.

[Zebraoracle]

"I'm not calling *you* unhinged, just your ideas. Totally different, teehee." Right.

As I said to the person above, we can make all the proposed fixes we want, but until Squeenix themselves is ready to do what must be done it means nothing. What I offered wasn't meant to be the perfect solution, just a potential, active idea for those interested. Is it great? No, but neither is the situation at hand. At least I offered something you can do that's not just to continually slamming your head against the wall that is the housing market expecting it to suddenly get better. But sure, continue to scream into the void if it makes you feel better.

It literally is different - someone smart can have a dumb idea, that doesn't mean they're dumb. I think the idea of data center transferring, especially to a foreign DC, is absolutely unhinged, and you're right, it IS an option. It's a horrible option born out of this terrible situation that Square has caused to happen. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it, cuz like you said in the part of the post I didn't quote, until Square decides to nut up, the situation is not going to be fixed but just have a bunch of bandaids applied to it. Until then, people have to either choose to not engage with housing, or keep trying (through whatever means they deem appropriate) and hope they eventually get lucky.

And sure, people aren't strictly entitled to housing just for paying a sub, surely you can understand how frustrating it is for 1. the game to constantly throw free housing items at you, and 2. housing being one of the main draws of the game and only a handful of people actually get to participate in it.

[Joven]

It literally is different - someone smart can have a dumb idea, that doesn't mean they're dumb. I think the idea of data center transferring, especially to a foreign DC, is absolutely unhinged, and you're right, it IS an option. It's a horrible option born out of this terrible situation that Square has caused to happen. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it, cuz like you said in the part of the post I didn't quote, until Square decides to nut up, the situation is not going to be fixed but just have a bunch of bandaids applied to it. Until then, people have to either choose to not engage with housing, or keep trying (through whatever means they deem appropriate) and hope they eventually get lucky.

And sure, people aren't strictly entitled to housing just for paying a sub, surely you can understand how frustrating it is for 1. the game to constantly throw free housing items at you, and 2. housing being one of the main draws of the game and only a handful of people actually get to participate in it.

It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

[Zebraoracle]

It was always meant to be a limited item that people could aspire to attain with the market fluctuating as people lost theirs due to demos or moved to another ward. Plots were always supposed to open, but since people are greedy and were able to hoard houses because they didn't impose limits early on and the dev's need to capitulate and try to give everything to everyone through ever increasing ward capacities, they're left bailing water out of a sinking ship. It also didn't help that the population grew to what it is. It took me over 5 years just to be able to look in the direction of a house (mostly because when I started houses weren't even a thing) but even after they were it still took a good while. If I hadn't of gotten one it wouldn't have been a big deal. There's lots of things in the game I'll never get and I'm fine with that, though I agree it's dumb they keep using housing items as event rewards knowing housing is a point of contention

We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

[Corvus_V]

We're on the same page here. Like I said earlier, it's an awful situation by Square's own design. It just sucks that the players have to either keep beating their heads on a wall or resort to less than ideal solutions.

If everyone was on the same page and they realize it's Square Enix's fault, and Square Enix's problem to fix, then we're on the same page. Moving to a foreign DC isn't a solution, its an act of desperation that doesn't even necessarily guarantee results, and exists as a detriment to every other facet of the game. There's a difference between a treatment and a cure, and more wards are barely a relief and definitely not a cure.

Saying it's "meant to be limited" sucks. Everyone gets housing items, and everyone can technically put them in an apartment, and it being limited in the first place being a bad decision. It's not immersive, it's annoying.

This is why I keep suggesting instanced housing. It's the only way for people to guarantee a use of those items. It already exists in the form of apartments, they just suck because they're small, and they lack an exterior, which technically doesn't have to be in an outside zone people walk past.

Square can solve the problem. They need to talk about it.