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    Renalt El'doran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    The unlucky will always be mad
    There have been people who have been playing years who just finally got a house and will say the system is horrid.
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    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Ivtrix Impreria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    There have been people who have been playing years who just finally got a house and will say the system is horrid.
    *shrug* there are myriads of people who complained the old system was bad too. There isn’t a perfect solution and there will be always those left unhappy with how things are done.

    The lottery system is a very Japanese solution, they do this sort of thing constantly for things that are in high demand but have limited supply. I remember when PS5 support was announced, Yoshi-P mentioned on the same Live Letter that he didn't have a PS5 yet. The ongoing supply issues the console had meant that every retailer was only selling their PS5 stock via lottery, and he hadn't gotten picked yet.
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    Harun Asubra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    *shrug* there are myriads of people who complained the old system was bad too. There isn’t a perfect solution and there will be always those left unhappy with how things are done.
    My view is that the old system was toxic. People would spend hours on end in front of a placard hoping it'd miraculously pop. And constantly fight against easily ten other people botting and clicking on the placard to see if it worked. People would legit spend the night camping the place.

    What we have now really isn't perfect. And it may seem unfair. But it's far fairer imo than whatever we had before. Because that was just masochism incarnate. This? This is a raffle. The unfortunate thing about it is the supply versus the demand.

    I don't think it's simply a Japanese solution. I mean, sure, this practice may be a lot more welcome in Japan and all that, not saying it isn't o: I don't know enough to say otherwise anyway. But what I mean is that back then? When we had that really unhealthy system? THIS is what people asked for. A Lottery system. For better and for worse. And I mean it, people HERE, in THESE forums, the EN General Discussion chats, did ask for this. Myself among them.

    I don't blame this system. Not in its entirety. Just that while it's better than what we had before, it still is stunted by one simple issue: supply.

    And unfortunately, the way the game is designed and the way servers work mean supply isn't something that will grow overnight.
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    Player Ivtrix's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    My view is that the old system was toxic. People would spend hours on end in front of a placard hoping it'd miraculously pop. And constantly fight against easily ten other people botting and clicking on the placard to see if it worked. People would legit spend the night camping the place.

    What we have now really isn't perfect. And it may seem unfair. But it's far fairer imo than whatever we had before. Because that was just masochism incarnate. This? This is a raffle. The unfortunate thing about it is the supply versus the demand.

    I don't think it's simply a Japanese solution. I mean, sure, this practice may be a lot more welcome in Japan and all that, not saying it isn't o: I don't know enough to say otherwise anyway. But what I mean is that back then? When we had that really unhealthy system? THIS is what people asked for. A Lottery system. For better and for worse. And I mean it, people HERE, in THESE forums, the EN General Discussion chats, did ask for this. Myself among them.

    I don't blame this system. Not in its entirety. Just that while it's better than what we had before, it still is stunted by one simple issue: supply.

    And unfortunately, the way the game is designed and the way servers work mean supply isn't something that will grow overnight.
    It’s not simply a JP solution, it’s just how they deal with a lot of their problems. The big difference is that the PS5 is hardware, and the housing wards technically aren’t (although they do exist on a server)

    I think another issue that goes hand in hand with the current system is the developers thoughts on housing itself. They havnt outright said it, but it’s not hard to deduce that they really arnt fans of private housing at all. It seems clear to me that their interpretation is that housing in their eyes is to be used as social hubs for the free companies and they are really hesitant to allow people to go buck wild with private housing.
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    Rugiada Brightdawn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivtrix View Post
    I think another issue that goes hand in hand with the current system is the developers thoughts on housing itself. They havnt outright said it, but it’s not hard to deduce that they really arnt fans of private housing at all. It seems clear to me that their interpretation is that housing in their eyes is to be used as social hubs for the free companies and they are really hesitant to allow people to go buck wild with private housing.
    ..And I think you are right.
    I have a private house, but it's -almost- useless.
    - I cannot share the house with alts
    - I don't have a workshop thus I cannot do submarines or different walls for the house,
    - I don't have "chambers" for my subtenants,
    - I lose the house if I don't enter for 35 days (no matter if subtenants enter, only the owner resets the demolition),
    - I can't decide who enter (or everyone or max 4 characters).


    It's a status symbol, nothing more.
    (3)
    I have 10,000 needles,
    I'm not a weaver,
    and I'm not scared to use them.

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    Mao Xifeng
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus View Post
    ..And I think you are right.
    I have a private house, but it's -almost- useless.
    - I cannot share the house with alts
    - I don't have a workshop thus I cannot do submarines or different walls for the house,
    - I don't have "chambers" for my subtenants,
    - I lose the house if I don't enter for 35 days (no matter if subtenants enter, only the owner resets the demolition),
    - I can't decide who enter (or everyone or max 4 characters).


    It's a status symbol, nothing more.
    For Mao it is place where friends and FC mate gather to socialize and craft. Having house is funs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    For Mao it is place where friends and FC mate gather to socialize and craft. Having house is funs!
    ok, but Mao could use the FC house in Goblet for the same purpose, and invite friend/FCmate in his/her private room.

    The FC house has every perk a private house has, and more, and the "more" is very interesting.
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    I have 10,000 needles,
    I'm not a weaver,
    and I'm not scared to use them.