Housing Roulette was an absolute trash idea.

[Midareyukki]

I think at this point we should have just necro'd one of the old threads last time we had a housing roulette. Because so much of what's being said here is verbatim what's been said before there.

[Gullis]

Would you have been happy, if you lost to a placard spammer?

[Ivtrix]

The unlucky will always be mad

[Renalt]

The unlucky will always be mad

There have been people who have been playing years who just finally got a house and will say the system is horrid.

[Ivtrix]

There have been people who have been playing years who just finally got a house and will say the system is horrid.

*shrug* there are myriads of people who complained the old system was bad too. There isn’t a perfect solution and there will be always those left unhappy with how things are done.

The lottery system is a very Japanese solution, they do this sort of thing constantly for things that are in high demand but have limited supply. I remember when PS5 support was announced, Yoshi-P mentioned on the same Live Letter that he didn't have a PS5 yet. The ongoing supply issues the console had meant that every retailer was only selling their PS5 stock via lottery, and he hadn't gotten picked yet.

[Midareyukki]

*shrug* there are myriads of people who complained the old system was bad too. There isn’t a perfect solution and there will be always those left unhappy with how things are done.

My view is that the old system was toxic. People would spend hours on end in front of a placard hoping it'd miraculously pop. And constantly fight against easily ten other people botting and clicking on the placard to see if it worked. People would legit spend the night camping the place.

What we have now really isn't perfect. And it may seem unfair. But it's far fairer imo than whatever we had before. Because that was just masochism incarnate. This? This is a raffle. The unfortunate thing about it is the supply versus the demand.

I don't think it's simply a Japanese solution. I mean, sure, this practice may be a lot more welcome in Japan and all that, not saying it isn't o: I don't know enough to say otherwise anyway. But what I mean is that back then? When we had that really unhealthy system? THIS is what people asked for. A Lottery system. For better and for worse. And I mean it, people HERE, in THESE forums, the EN General Discussion chats, did ask for this. Myself among them.

I don't blame this system. Not in its entirety. Just that while it's better than what we had before, it still is stunted by one simple issue: supply.

And unfortunately, the way the game is designed and the way servers work mean supply isn't something that will grow overnight.

[Ivtrix]

My view is that the old system was toxic. People would spend hours on end in front of a placard hoping it'd miraculously pop. And constantly fight against easily ten other people botting and clicking on the placard to see if it worked. People would legit spend the night camping the place.

What we have now really isn't perfect. And it may seem unfair. But it's far fairer imo than whatever we had before. Because that was just masochism incarnate. This? This is a raffle. The unfortunate thing about it is the supply versus the demand.

I don't think it's simply a Japanese solution. I mean, sure, this practice may be a lot more welcome in Japan and all that, not saying it isn't o: I don't know enough to say otherwise anyway. But what I mean is that back then? When we had that really unhealthy system? THIS is what people asked for. A Lottery system. For better and for worse. And I mean it, people HERE, in THESE forums, the EN General Discussion chats, did ask for this. Myself among them.

I don't blame this system. Not in its entirety. Just that while it's better than what we had before, it still is stunted by one simple issue: supply.

And unfortunately, the way the game is designed and the way servers work mean supply isn't something that will grow overnight.

It’s not simply a JP solution, it’s just how they deal with a lot of their problems. The big difference is that the PS5 is hardware, and the housing wards technically aren’t (although they do exist on a server)

I think another issue that goes hand in hand with the current system is the developers thoughts on housing itself. They havnt outright said it, but it’s not hard to deduce that they really arnt fans of private housing at all. It seems clear to me that their interpretation is that housing in their eyes is to be used as social hubs for the free companies and they are really hesitant to allow people to go buck wild with private housing.

[CidHeiral]

Square's solution to the bot problem being "lets just make it randomm!!xD" has to be the absolute laziest solution to a problem I've ever seen in a game.

It wasn't Square's solution, it was the playerbase's. Players demanded a lottery system for years, and they got exactly what they asked for.

The lottery system was never going to solve a supply issue, it just makes it fair for everyone who wants to bid.

[Joven]

My view is that the old system was toxic. People would spend hours on end in front of a placard hoping it'd miraculously pop. And constantly fight against easily ten other people botting and clicking on the placard to see if it worked. People would legit spend the night camping the place.

What we have now really isn't perfect. And it may seem unfair. But it's far fairer imo than whatever we had before. Because that was just masochism incarnate. This? This is a raffle. The unfortunate thing about it is the supply versus the demand.

I don't think it's simply a Japanese solution. I mean, sure, this practice may be a lot more welcome in Japan and all that, not saying it isn't o: I don't know enough to say otherwise anyway. But what I mean is that back then? When we had that really unhealthy system? THIS is what people asked for. A Lottery system. For better and for worse. And I mean it, people HERE, in THESE forums, the EN General Discussion chats, did ask for this. Myself among them.

I don't blame this system. Not in its entirety. Just that while it's better than what we had before, it still is stunted by one simple issue: supply.

And unfortunately, the way the game is designed and the way servers work mean supply isn't something that will grow overnight.

It wasn't Square's solution, it was the playerbase's. Players demanded a lottery system for years, and they got exactly what they asked for.

The lottery system was never going to solve a supply issue, it just makes it fair for everyone who wants to bid.

I don't even think it's a supply issue. I think it's everyone wants a select few houses while others fall by the wayside. I went through Shirogane on (I think) Louisoix and the first 4 plots in the subdivision I was in were empty. No buildings, no owners, all of them smalls. You could counter with "well that's only certain servers", but then it comes down to the playerbase migrating to areas that accomodate what they want. My friends gave up raiding at the hours they play to move to a server where houses were more available because to them a house was more important. Choose your priorities.

[Zebraoracle]

I don't even think it's a supply issue. I think it's everyone wants a select few houses while others fall by the wayside. I went through Shirogane on (I think) Louisoix and the first 4 plots in the subdivision I was in were empty. No buildings, no owners, all of them smalls. You could counter with "well that's only certain servers", but then it comes down to the playerbase migrating to areas that accomodate what they want. My friends gave up raiding at the hours they play to move to a server where houses were more available because to them a house was more important. Choose your priorities.

But it literally does depend on data center. As has been said, on Aether the demand far outweighs the supply. It just comes with a high population DC. Like yeah certain plots are more popular for sure, but on a high density server most of them are going to be bid on regardless of location.