It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

Having heard of at least one confirmed case of someone getting reported over admittance and then disappearing for good after that, I will just keep my eye out and keep reporting whoever happens to admit to using mods in the ingame chat. Ultimately, they're breaking rules and risking their whole accounts. It's like saying "we should stop enforcing laws because people break them anyway".

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money. The option to hide it is demanded by a small portion of people too prudish to handle seeing some thigh skin, who are ultimately irrelevant in front of entire community of people for whom glamours is one of main activities (and is supported by SE, having been marked as form of 'proper' activity in Adventurer Plates for example). And there'd definitely be way bigger uproar about the glamour system being hide-able from people who actually use it, rather than same few dozen of people necroposting for 300 pages for a feature that will never be.

Idk to me the idea of glamour was to make you character look good for yourself, others liking it is just a byproduct but never thought it was the core function. Even still none of this would be impacted if it was optional cause guess what you would not know who was using it. Unless you are saying once again the mere idea of someone not seeing your outfit devalues your attire. If that is the case sure you are right, but still seems weird and this is coming from a person that wears a frog helmet.

Also,

[Heroman3003]

Idk to me the idea of glamour was to make you character look good for yourself, others liking it is just a byproduct but never thought it was the core function. Even still none of this would be impacted if it was optional cause guess what you would not know who was using it. Unless you are saying once again the mere idea of someone not seeing your outfit devalues your attire. If that is the case sure you are right, but still seems weird and this is coming from a person that wears a frog helmet.

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

[Joven]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

What you may consider "looking good" others may consider tacky or gaudy. Fashion is a case by case situation. Some may like what you wear while others won't

[Heroman3003]

What you may consider "looking good" others may consider tacky or gaudy. Fashion is a case by case situation. Some may like what you wear while others won't

Welcome to society. If you don't want to engage with that, there's a wide selection of singleplayer games for your perusal.

[Joven]

Welcome to society. If you don't want to engage with that, there's a wide selection of singleplayer games for your perusal.

"We live in a society". Very original.

That has no bearing here. Video games are not our society. They are an entirely curated experience that people can augment to their liking.

Also stop with the "maybe this isn't the game for you" deal. You don't get to dictate what games people choose to play.

Ninja Edit:

Well, maybe people shouldn't play the games only to demand it changed to fit them against wishes of people who enjoy the game as is. *shrug

Heavens forbid people make suggestions for features they might like. It's not like we don't have an entire forums dedicated to that premise or anything. That would be beyond ludicrous to even imagine, don't you agree?

Oh, I see. Only ideas you deem worthy are allowed. Now that we've established that everything else makes sense.

[Heroman3003]

"We live in a society". Very original.

That has no bearing here. Video games are not our society. They are an entirely curated experience that people can augment to their liking.

Also stop with the "maybe this isn't the game for you" deal. You don't get to dictate what games people choose to play.

Well, maybe people shouldn't play the games only to demand it changed to fit them against wishes of people who enjoy the game as is. *shrug

[Krotoan]

Well, maybe people shouldn't play the games only to demand it changed to fit them against wishes of people who enjoy the game as is. *shrug

You mean like the hordes of people who asked for features and items that are now part of the game?


Like all those people? They should have just gone and played another game?

The people who wanted a marketboard. The people who wanted gender restrictions removed from as many glamour pieces as possible? The people who wanted NPC's to do dungeons with?

All these things that the community asked for and then we got.. . everyone should just be quiet and we should have played (I'll be charitable here) 2.0 style everything?

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money.

The POINT of glamour is to change the look of gear for your character to something YOU prefer so as not restrict your look to what's "good" gear.

It being for you, or the benefit of those around you is purely subjective. However if your motivation is that someone who DISLIKES what you chose HAS to see it.. I'm going to say that's probably not what was intended.

Many games sell cosmetics that other players never see or can choose not to see, but always the commonality is that the player can see what they've bought. It's for the players benefit, not a guarantee that everyone has to look at it.

[Bobby66]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

See this is what I do not get, as per my example from before about the person that asked me to remove my frog helmet from the MSQ. I did not, but understand why they may want to remove it and this was before duty support and stuff. So you are saying that our desire to dress a certain way should trump the experience just because? Communities many function around compromise not unwavering obedience. While, I agree I had no obligation to remove my helmet, that does not mean players that do not want to see such things should either be forced to deal with it, or simply leave the game. I do not wish for my fun to impact the fun of others. I can respect and understand the fact that some people may not share the same tastes as I do and not find what I find funny or enjoyable.

Are you really saying that said players that do not wish to see certain things should just stop playing the game if they cannot deal? I do not get it a community should be understanding and willing to compromise or find some middle ground even if it gives up some freedoms or things you may enjoy. More people enjoying the game the better.

Though here is the funny thing, you still have not really answered how would you know someone is using the option? If you do not know why would you choose to let it impact you. Like honestly the two of you remind me of that coworker that always assumes someone is talking about them or looking at them. Sure maybe people are, maybe they are not. When you have the choice of the narrative why choose the one that clearly adds some level of destress or takes away from your enjoy. Just go on with your day thinking no one is using it.

I guess it boils down to GM, I was reported for talking about mod usage in NN, someone reported me GM spoke with me and just asked, do you mod? I said nope. He went on his merry way. Maybe if someone had the discord pictures and stuff I would have gotten in trouble, but yeah. Guess it varies.

Edit:

Well, maybe people shouldn't play the games only to demand it changed to fit them against wishes of people who enjoy the game as is. *shrug

Requesting and optional feature is far from a demand, no one is forced to use it.

[Barachim]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

I'm certain that the number of people who play for their own enjoyment, massively outweigh the number of people who's fragile ego cannot handle not being noticed by the people around them. I glamour the way I do, because I care about the character I play. I don't glamour for other people in the hopes to catch someone's gaze or to be "cool" in their book.

I find this whole "please notice me" counter argument just mind boggingly silly.