It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[ZephyrMenodora]

Aye, may not agree but I do respect your position. For better or worse this will never happen anyways, even still it was an interesting conversation. As mentioned fashion has never been my thing, I legit own multiple pairs of the same outfit and wear the same style since I cannot be bothered with trying to mix and match or look a certain way. Have my causal, work, and sleep attire that is it.

Same here. I feel easier to reach a common ground with conversations like this. As at some level, the argument of some that they would at least like to get through the story, with it's sincere moments, without a bikini or frog suit is something I can relate to.

Eidt: Out of posts, but in general:

That's your perception perhaps. Doesn't mean that it's true. I find it incredibly limiting, actually and insulting that my concerns aren't worth your time. Your concerns are worth everyone's time of course, but mine?

I think that's part of why this conversation went how it did. I liked how Bobby66 would at least acknowledge where others are coming from, even if they still disagreed. Perhaps a better compromise would occur if more conversations went that way.

Something like, "I understand your characters appearance is important to you, but it's important to me that I feel more immersed while I play FFXIV, and feel adding options to put other players in lore-friendly attire would help that for me." Can still disagree but it feels a lot less hostile and more understandable.

[Joven]

Since people want to pull the idea of "agency" out of their backsides let's frame this in a different way:

If I go on to a fan art image board that allows pornographic materials to be posted and I use the available filters to hide those images from my search results am I denying those artist's agency? Is me not want to see their images on my display preventing them from making those images in the first place? After all, art is the ultimate form of self expression.

The answer is no. No it does not. The same applies here.

[Zabuza]

Still haven't heard a rebuttal on why putting people on an ignore/block list is okay, but being able to selectively block glamour isn't okay. I keep hearing about how people need to be able to express themselves. Well, then why aren't you letting everyone express themselves through their words which is arguably a more direct form of expression? Why do blacklists and profanity filters exist in the game? If you have used these features but are against glamour blocks, then you are a hypocrite.

[Bobby66]

Same here. I feel easier to reach a common ground with conversations like this. As at some level, the argument of some that they would at least like to get through the story, with it's sincere moments, without a bikini or frog suit is something I can relate to.

Same, I am was one of those people that wears the frog helmet all the time on my main, and I have been asked if I could remove my headgear. I did not, but tbh that is why I support this feature I rather someone have the option to hide what they do not want to see then feel as if they simply just have to suck it up or stop playing. While, I also do not think I should have to remove my helmet to cater to someone's else experience.

This just seems like a happy middle ground imo. Though I do understand why others feel differently, glamour and their characters offer different value. For some this may be the only space where they can safely express themselves I get it, but it does go both ways and I do hope those who wish this find a means to obtain the desired game state they long for.

[ty_taurus]

This just seems like a happy middle ground imo. Though I do understand why others feel differently, glamour and their characters offer different value. For some this may be the only space where they can safely express themselves I get it, but it does go both ways and I do hope those who wish this find a means to obtain the desired game state they long for.

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

[Joven]

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

Because your ideas force a certain limit on other people while this idea doesn't. That's why they were rejected.

[ty_taurus]

Because your ideas force a certain limit on other people while this idea doesn't. That's why they were rejected.

That's your perception perhaps. Doesn't mean that it's true. I find it incredibly limiting, actually and insulting that my concerns aren't worth your time. Your concerns are worth everyone's time of course, but mine?

[Joven]

That's your perception perhaps. Doesn't mean that it's true. I find it incredibly limiting, actually and insulting that my concerns aren't worth your time. Your concerns are worth everyone's time of course, but mine?

How exactly is it limiting you though? The only limit is the one you're imposing upon yourself.

[Bobby66]

It's not a happy middle ground though. I've brought up that it creates as much of a problem for me as the apparent perceived distaste for other people's glamours has seemed to be a problem for others. But everyone's response to my concern is, "you shouldn't feel that way" without compromise. I've offered compromises... A glamour-free server, the ability to only engage with players who do or do not hide glamour... everyone spat on those.

If that's how it's gonna be, then my response to those who are bothered by other people's glamour is, have you tried not being bothered by what other people are wearing?

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

As her your last statement, same could be said for you, have you tried to not be bothered by the mere possibly that someone may not want to see how your character looks? Like I could create a character on your server and alter how your character looks you would never know who it is, can you really say with a straight that face that it would bother you to know that someone right now is altering how your character looks?

[ty_taurus]

How exactly is it limiting you though? The only limit is the one you're imposing upon yourself.

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.