It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

As her your last statement, same could be said for you, have you tried to not be bothered by the mere possibly that someone may not want to see how your character looks? Like I could create a character on your server and alter how your character looks you would never know who it is, can you really say with a straight that face that it would bother you to know that someone right now is altering how your character looks?

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.

Okay this is getting old, answer this primary question, how would you know people are seeing your character in some ugly outfit?

[LalafellDown]

I’m definitely on the side of turning peoples armors down to their default race or off to improve game performance. Especially with the graphics overhaul that is coming in 7.0.

Having an option to lower character quality would be nice. I remember most times during hunts or new events, the fate and hunt target would disappear. You would just have to spam your AOE in hopes of hitting the target.

In 5.0 the rare S rank wouldn’t even show because of how many people were around it. It would pop in and out. People would enter in chat, “where is it I can’t see it,” people would tell them just spam.

If this would improve performance I would love to have this option on.

[ty_taurus]

By no means do I mean to dismiss your feelings but let us be fair both stances are for the most part purely selfish, but you have to see how you suggestion is far more selfish then those in favor of the option? As per my example are you really going to say having a no glamour server or a queue that splits those that have it on and off is much better solution then having an option that simply toggles glamour off?

How is it more selfish? If glamour is something that may or may not actually do anything depending on the player, then it means I have to make sure that the gear I wear is gear I like the look of and that looks together, which means I can't actually access BiS gear, which directly interfers with my gameplay. I wouldn't mind the Euphrosyne gear, but I can only get 1 piece per week. To get a full set to actually look good will end up taking way too much time. I don't want to be seen a certain way. I'd rather you just substitute my character with a randomly generated grand company NPC.

And how would creating a no-glamour server be worse than that? You get an entire server dedicated to that style of RP. How is that selfish or limiting?

Okay this is getting old, answer this primary question, how would you know people are seeing your character in some ugly outfit?

Because the option exists, therefore it's being used. It doesn't matter who specifically is using it.

[Krotoan]

And we are back at:

"Just the IDEA of you not being able to see my "expression" causes me distress".

So let me add that right now some expression is actively causing people to roll their eyes in disgust, sigh in frustration and annoyance, avoiding pointing their view in a certain direction, and literally ruining their story experience and this is OK? Why is this better? Because they HAVE to deal with it in a way that you STILL do not experience but causes them inconvenience ?
Your option to ruin their experience in a very direct way trumps their want of an option to quietly and imperceptibly , on their equipment mind you, walk by you and not take notice of you for once?

I don't want to be seen a certain way. I'd rather you just substitute my character with a randomly generated grand company NPC.
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This has been proposed in many forms and ways and is acceptable.

[Bobby66]

How is it more selfish? If glamour is something that may or may not actually do anything depending on the player, then it means I have to make sure that the gear I wear is gear I like the look of and that looks together, which means I can't actually access BiS gear, which directly interfers with my gameplay. I wouldn't mind the Euphrosyne gear, but I can only get 1 piece per week. To get a full set to actually look good will end up taking way too much time. I don't want to be seen a certain way. I'd rather you just substitute my character with a randomly generated grand company NPC.

And how would creating a no-glamour server be worse than that? You get an entire server dedicated to that style of RP. How is that selfish or limiting?



Because the option exists, therefore it's being used. It doesn't matter who specifically is using it.

That is a self imposed restriction, no one is saying you have to wear level 1 glamour because the option exists, cause you are still free to glamour the only thing that changes is the possibly which already does exist by the way is some people may see you in different look on their screen. It is more selfish because you are creating a tangible divide because you rather not associate with certain individuals. While those in favor of the option are willing to share the and operate within the space ecosystem by offering a compromise that you will have no way in knowing who is or is not using it. You would more less be creating your own boogieman.

Also once again you do know this option already exists with mods. You are still playing so clearly it is not big of an issue to you on a moral stance. Also the way the mod works is it swaps out the character model altogether. So don't worry.

[Heroman3003]

That is a self imposed restriction, no one is saying you have to wear level 1 glamour because the option exists, cause you are still free to glamour the only thing that changes is the possibly which already does exist by the way is some people may see you in different look on their screen. It is more selfish because you are creating a tangible divide because you rather not associate with certain individuals. While those in favor of the option are willing to share the and operate within the space ecosystem by offering a compromise that you will have no way in knowing who is or is not using it. You would more less be creating your own boogieman.

Also once again you do know this option already exists with mods. You are still playing so clearly it is not big of an issue to you on a moral stance. Also the way the mod works is it swaps out the character model altogether. So don't worry.

And using mods can get people banned, if they should expose that fact. So yeah, thats a factual way to deal with the issue if you learn someone is using a mod - report them to the GMs with evidence. Plain and simple.

[Bobby66]

And using mods can get people banned, if they should expose that fact. So yeah, thats a factual way to deal with the issue if you learn someone is using a mod - report them to the GMs with evidence. Plain and simple.

Verbal admittance I doubt would be enough to count as evidence, since one easily could say trololo was joking, and they would not have no means of getting physical proof. That said point is you do not know if people are altering characters with mods, so just the if the option was added you would not know generally if someone was using it either.

Mod usage is pretty hard to enforce be 100% honest unless you stream and stuff.

[Joven]

I could say the same for you. Aren't you imposing your dislike of others' glamour something you've imposed on yourself? It bothers me to have my character viewed as wearing ugly clothes by other players. It bothers you that some players wear glamour you don't like. It's the same thing spun differently.

You're twisting what's being said for some silly "gotcha" moment. You want to impose limits on people who would use this feature while those who would use it impose no limits on you. If you feel limited by the idea that some people aren't seeing your glam then that's a limit you've imposed upon yourself.

[Heroman3003]

Verbal admittance I doubt would be enough to count as evidence, since one easily could say trololo was joking, and they would not have no means of getting physical proof. That said point is you do not know if people are altering characters with mods, so just the if the option was added you would not know generally if someone was using it either.

Mod usage is pretty hard to enforce be 100% honest unless you stream and stuff.

Having heard of at least one confirmed case of someone getting reported over admittance and then disappearing for good after that, I will just keep my eye out and keep reporting whoever happens to admit to using mods in the ingame chat. Ultimately, they're breaking rules and risking their whole accounts. It's like saying "we should stop enforcing laws because people break them anyway".

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money. The option to hide it is demanded by a small portion of people too prudish to handle seeing some thigh skin, who are ultimately irrelevant in front of entire community of people for whom glamours is one of main activities (and is supported by SE, having been marked as form of 'proper' activity in Adventurer Plates for example). And there'd definitely be way bigger uproar about the glamour system being hide-able from people who actually use it, rather than same few dozen of people necroposting for 300 pages for a feature that will never be.

[Bobby66]

Having heard of at least one confirmed case of someone getting reported over admittance and then disappearing for good after that, I will just keep my eye out and keep reporting whoever happens to admit to using mods in the ingame chat. Ultimately, they're breaking rules and risking their whole accounts. It's like saying "we should stop enforcing laws because people break them anyway".

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money. The option to hide it is demanded by a small portion of people too prudish to handle seeing some thigh skin, who are ultimately irrelevant in front of entire community of people for whom glamours is one of main activities (and is supported by SE, having been marked as form of 'proper' activity in Adventurer Plates for example). And there'd definitely be way bigger uproar about the glamour system being hide-able from people who actually use it, rather than same few dozen of people necroposting for 300 pages for a feature that will never be.

Idk to me the idea of glamour was to make you character look good for yourself, others liking it is just a byproduct but never thought it was the core function. Even still none of this would be impacted if it was optional cause guess what you would not know who was using it. Unless you are saying once again the mere idea of someone not seeing your outfit devalues your attire. If that is the case sure you are right, but still seems weird and this is coming from a person that wears a frog helmet.

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