It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Bobby66]

How is it more selfish? If glamour is something that may or may not actually do anything depending on the player, then it means I have to make sure that the gear I wear is gear I like the look of and that looks together, which means I can't actually access BiS gear, which directly interfers with my gameplay. I wouldn't mind the Euphrosyne gear, but I can only get 1 piece per week. To get a full set to actually look good will end up taking way too much time. I don't want to be seen a certain way. I'd rather you just substitute my character with a randomly generated grand company NPC.

And how would creating a no-glamour server be worse than that? You get an entire server dedicated to that style of RP. How is that selfish or limiting?



Because the option exists, therefore it's being used. It doesn't matter who specifically is using it.

That is a self imposed restriction, no one is saying you have to wear level 1 glamour because the option exists, cause you are still free to glamour the only thing that changes is the possibly which already does exist by the way is some people may see you in different look on their screen. It is more selfish because you are creating a tangible divide because you rather not associate with certain individuals. While those in favor of the option are willing to share the and operate within the space ecosystem by offering a compromise that you will have no way in knowing who is or is not using it. You would more less be creating your own boogieman.

Also once again you do know this option already exists with mods. You are still playing so clearly it is not big of an issue to you on a moral stance. Also the way the mod works is it swaps out the character model altogether. So don't worry.

[Heroman3003]

That is a self imposed restriction, no one is saying you have to wear level 1 glamour because the option exists, cause you are still free to glamour the only thing that changes is the possibly which already does exist by the way is some people may see you in different look on their screen. It is more selfish because you are creating a tangible divide because you rather not associate with certain individuals. While those in favor of the option are willing to share the and operate within the space ecosystem by offering a compromise that you will have no way in knowing who is or is not using it. You would more less be creating your own boogieman.

Also once again you do know this option already exists with mods. You are still playing so clearly it is not big of an issue to you on a moral stance. Also the way the mod works is it swaps out the character model altogether. So don't worry.

And using mods can get people banned, if they should expose that fact. So yeah, thats a factual way to deal with the issue if you learn someone is using a mod - report them to the GMs with evidence. Plain and simple.

[Bobby66]

And using mods can get people banned, if they should expose that fact. So yeah, thats a factual way to deal with the issue if you learn someone is using a mod - report them to the GMs with evidence. Plain and simple.

Verbal admittance I doubt would be enough to count as evidence, since one easily could say trololo was joking, and they would not have no means of getting physical proof. That said point is you do not know if people are altering characters with mods, so just the if the option was added you would not know generally if someone was using it either.

Mod usage is pretty hard to enforce be 100% honest unless you stream and stuff.

[Heroman3003]

Verbal admittance I doubt would be enough to count as evidence, since one easily could say trololo was joking, and they would not have no means of getting physical proof. That said point is you do not know if people are altering characters with mods, so just the if the option was added you would not know generally if someone was using it either.

Mod usage is pretty hard to enforce be 100% honest unless you stream and stuff.

Having heard of at least one confirmed case of someone getting reported over admittance and then disappearing for good after that, I will just keep my eye out and keep reporting whoever happens to admit to using mods in the ingame chat. Ultimately, they're breaking rules and risking their whole accounts. It's like saying "we should stop enforcing laws because people break them anyway".

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money. The option to hide it is demanded by a small portion of people too prudish to handle seeing some thigh skin, who are ultimately irrelevant in front of entire community of people for whom glamours is one of main activities (and is supported by SE, having been marked as form of 'proper' activity in Adventurer Plates for example). And there'd definitely be way bigger uproar about the glamour system being hide-able from people who actually use it, rather than same few dozen of people necroposting for 300 pages for a feature that will never be.

[Bobby66]

Having heard of at least one confirmed case of someone getting reported over admittance and then disappearing for good after that, I will just keep my eye out and keep reporting whoever happens to admit to using mods in the ingame chat. Ultimately, they're breaking rules and risking their whole accounts. It's like saying "we should stop enforcing laws because people break them anyway".

Entire point of glamour is to look good in front of others. They're selling glamour entirely on that premise for real money. The option to hide it is demanded by a small portion of people too prudish to handle seeing some thigh skin, who are ultimately irrelevant in front of entire community of people for whom glamours is one of main activities (and is supported by SE, having been marked as form of 'proper' activity in Adventurer Plates for example). And there'd definitely be way bigger uproar about the glamour system being hide-able from people who actually use it, rather than same few dozen of people necroposting for 300 pages for a feature that will never be.

Idk to me the idea of glamour was to make you character look good for yourself, others liking it is just a byproduct but never thought it was the core function. Even still none of this would be impacted if it was optional cause guess what you would not know who was using it. Unless you are saying once again the mere idea of someone not seeing your outfit devalues your attire. If that is the case sure you are right, but still seems weird and this is coming from a person that wears a frog helmet.

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[Heroman3003]

Idk to me the idea of glamour was to make you character look good for yourself, others liking it is just a byproduct but never thought it was the core function. Even still none of this would be impacted if it was optional cause guess what you would not know who was using it. Unless you are saying once again the mere idea of someone not seeing your outfit devalues your attire. If that is the case sure you are right, but still seems weird and this is coming from a person that wears a frog helmet.

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

[Joven]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

What you may consider "looking good" others may consider tacky or gaudy. Fashion is a case by case situation. Some may like what you wear while others won't

[Bobby66]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

See this is what I do not get, as per my example from before about the person that asked me to remove my frog helmet from the MSQ. I did not, but understand why they may want to remove it and this was before duty support and stuff. So you are saying that our desire to dress a certain way should trump the experience just because? Communities many function around compromise not unwavering obedience. While, I agree I had no obligation to remove my helmet, that does not mean players that do not want to see such things should either be forced to deal with it, or simply leave the game. I do not wish for my fun to impact the fun of others. I can respect and understand the fact that some people may not share the same tastes as I do and not find what I find funny or enjoyable.

Are you really saying that said players that do not wish to see certain things should just stop playing the game if they cannot deal? I do not get it a community should be understanding and willing to compromise or find some middle ground even if it gives up some freedoms or things you may enjoy. More people enjoying the game the better.

Though here is the funny thing, you still have not really answered how would you know someone is using the option? If you do not know why would you choose to let it impact you. Like honestly the two of you remind me of that coworker that always assumes someone is talking about them or looking at them. Sure maybe people are, maybe they are not. When you have the choice of the narrative why choose the one that clearly adds some level of destress or takes away from your enjoy. Just go on with your day thinking no one is using it.

I guess it boils down to GM, I was reported for talking about mod usage in NN, someone reported me GM spoke with me and just asked, do you mod? I said nope. He went on his merry way. Maybe if someone had the discord pictures and stuff I would have gotten in trouble, but yeah. Guess it varies.

Edit:

Well, maybe people shouldn't play the games only to demand it changed to fit them against wishes of people who enjoy the game as is. *shrug

Requesting and optional feature is far from a demand, no one is forced to use it.

[Barachim]

What's the point of looking good if nobody can see you? There is none. I don't see any reason to bother with the extra side things like that unless your current outfit is actively ugly, which is like only an issue within first 40 levels of ARR. The only reason to look good is to know others think you look good, far as I see. Or you look funny. Or whatever like that. But yes, I genuinely see glamour system as a whole as pointless and worthless to engage with if others can't see it. And I am far from only one, and I am certain that mogstation sales of outfits will very much reflect that as well.

I'm certain that the number of people who play for their own enjoyment, massively outweigh the number of people who's fragile ego cannot handle not being noticed by the people around them. I glamour the way I do, because I care about the character I play. I don't glamour for other people in the hopes to catch someone's gaze or to be "cool" in their book.

I find this whole "please notice me" counter argument just mind boggingly silly.