It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

Yes, that's the entire point of the glamour system.

And not simply my own glamours, but everyone's glamours. Even if I don't like someone's glamours, they should be able to express themselves as they like with cosmetics available in the game.

I think you and I engage with the glamour system on entirely different levels.

I use the glamour system to make my character look the way I like because I think it looks cool. Not so I can MAKE people look at it. The glamour system is in place in case you do not like the way your current gear looks together or you want a particular aesthetic for YOUR character. Not as a forced experience for others.


People are welcome to express themselves however they wish.. but what you're espousing is forced engagement with everyone in a medium that easily could accommodate other options but because if the system doesn't MAKE people see you it's worth less?
Do you have the same problem with instanced maps? People are in the same area.. shouldn't they be FORCED to see you if you're there? Is not having your character represented on ALL instances censoring you?

[Xylira]

I think you and I engage with the glamour system on entirely different levels.

I use the glamour system to make my character look the way I like because I think it looks cool. Not so I can MAKE people look at it. The glamour system is in place in case you do not like the way your current gear looks together or you want a particular aesthetic for YOUR character. Not as a forced experience for others.


People are welcome to express themselves however they wish.. but what you're espousing is forced engagement with everyone in a medium that easily could accommodate other options but because if the system doesn't MAKE people see you it's worth less?
Do you have the same problem with instanced maps? People are in the same area.. shouldn't they be FORCED to see you if you're there? Is not having your character represented on ALL instances censoring you?

You're doing a significant amount of reading into my meaning based off of such a short post. I said no such thing about forcing people to engage with me or my character.

It's not a matter of me needing my character to be seen, it's a matter of if my character is seen that there is a particular way I want them to be seen as looking. No one is being forced to look at my character, nor would I want them to be. Again, this is the entire point of the glamour system, otherwise glamours would have been designed to only be seen by the person using them.

This is also a bit of an odd position to take as well. Do you consider when you're out in public in real life that the other people around are forcing you to look at them? No, they're just going about their business and have dressed the way they chose to dress that day, and they've dressed that way because it's how they would like others to see them. I don't see the glamour system being any different.

And yes you could make an argument about inappropriate attire. But I'll defer back to the point that I consider anything SE has added to the game outfit wise as within the bounds of appropriate, otherwise they shouldn't have added it into the game as obtainable and glamourable attire if they deemed otherwise.

[Krotoan]

You're doing a significant amount of reading into my meaning based off of such a short post. I said no such thing about forcing people to engage with me or my character.

I asked you very specifically to clarify:
"So it's important to you that people, even if they actively dislike what you chose, HAVE to see it? "
and you said that that was the ENTIRE point of the glamour system. If you want to use a different word than engage we can use "experience" or "perceive", but it's all the same to me. You have a problem with a system that allows people NOT to see you because you feel the entire point of dressing a certain way is the GUARANTEED perception of others.

It's not a matter of me needing my character to be seen, it's a matter of if my character is seen that there is a particular way I want them to be seen as looking. No one is being forced to look at my character, nor would I want them to be. Again, this is the entire point of the glamour system, otherwise glamours would have been designed to only be seen by the person using them.

The fact that glamours CAN be seen by other people is because there is a social aspect. This does not mean it's their entire function. I would however like to remind you that yes, people ARE forced to look at your character when in instances with you and when you stick yourself in their view (intentionally or not). People DO like showing off their outfits and things and I can understand why that's enjoyable, I cannot understand why you'd NEED people who do not wish to participate in this aspect to do so and even the IDEA that they could opt out lessens the enjoyment.

This is also a bit of an odd position to take as well. Do you consider when you're out in public in real life

STOP. Right there. Stop. This is not real life. This is a video game. This is an INCREDIBLY SALIENT POINT. This world and how it is experienced, the rules and physics, and the REALITY of it need to be perceived through the lens of that. Do not apply real life rules here. They do not apply.

I don't see the glamour system being any different.

You really REALLY should. Because being unable to understand the differences between a video game and reality is unhealthy.

And yes you could make an argument about inappropriate attire. But I'll defer back to the point that I consider anything SE has added to the game outfit wise as within the bounds of appropriate, otherwise they shouldn't have added it into the game as obtainable and glamourable attire if they deemed otherwise.

I never mentioned "inappropriate". This is not my take. I argue that customization of personal experience on personal hardware is important and valuable for any gamer for a variety of reasons. If I want to play the game and enhance my personal experience by excluding what I consider undesirable visuals, I should be able to. I also should be able to reduce the demand on my hardware to make the experience optimal in a variety of ways.

It needs to be an equal exchange I think.

If you want to display other characters in generic attire, you'd have to in turn forfeit being able to show off your glamour to others and appear in genetic attire on their screens as well.

Because? Why? They're welcome to use the same feature of course, but why do you want to mark people? So you know SPECIFICALLY who cannot see you?