It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[ZephyrMenodora]

Why? that just seems like a spiteful concession you want because the suggestion upsets you.

??? The concept behind this entire thread is pettiness and spite.

Fortunately no MMO in history has ever allowed people to turn off glamors, or whatever they are called in said game, and this one never will either. Fashion is too vital to MMOs. Too bad for those who just need something to complain about. Then again, I am on the official forums so I should expect eye-rolling topics like this.

[Eisi]

I don't have a problem with it personally but feel that would:

1. Cause additional distress for those who especially value being perceived as they would see EXACTLY who wasn't seeing them.

> So you believe the option already would cause distress for people and then cause additional distress knowing WHO specifically uses it? If you already don't care about the former, why care about the latter?

2. Cause targeting of those who were in basic outfits and additional griefing by those who now know these individuals are actively avoiding other players "expression".

> That makes sense, let's alter the deal then:

Further I don't see how this is "fair" in any sense. Why is there a "punishment" for using an option? Why does someone changing what amounts to a setting on their computer warrant some sort of indicator?

> Other player's avatars are now able to be altered in the eyes of others, which annulls part of their gameplay experience - character expression without perception through others is impossible. However that's completely fine and you need not be punished or anything of the sort, just in turn not able to express your char through glam either for fairness' sake. Let's say you got assigned a random other player's glam instead. That way nobody would even know that you use the feature.
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[VerdeLuck]

??? The concept behind this entire thread is pettiness and spite.

Fortunately no MMO in history has ever allowed people to turn off glamors, or whatever they are called in said game, and this one never will either. Fashion is too vital to MMOs. Too bad for those who just need something to complain about. Then again, I am on the official forums so I should expect eye-rolling topics like this.

The concept behind the thread is not wanting to have sexual glams forced on you. Same as how you can disable adventurer plates. Not everyone wants to be a part of or consents to being a part of everything in the game, especially when it involves ERP and sexual content.
People are asking for the tools to deal with the problem themselves, but you and a few others seem to be incredibly upset and offended at the idea that not everyone wants the same thing as you.

You can mute people who are being weird in chat, that censors their expression. You can disable people's avdenture plates, that censors their expression. How is this any different? You're acknowledging some things other people do might not be what you want, and so you take steps to deal with it instead of either leaving the game or having to confront the person.

[Zabuza]

Your point has nothing to do with the topic, it was a bad point to try and use in this situation.
Comparing discussions about the lack of Glamour Options on 2 (well mostly 1) poorly handled race is not the same to advocating for Hiding everyones Glamours / Glamours you dont like. Its also a pretty poor point to say "well I dont just tell these people to deal with it" because....so what? We arn't talking about those topics, we are talking about This Topic on this Thread.

And once again, I have to repeat this yet again. I find idea of the feature silly, but its not up to me if its added. If it is..cool whatever. I dont support it, but so what? Its an Opinion.
I love and Im baffled how an opinion gets people so upset and they say they are being dismissed! If my opinion has that much power, I question if people really care about their own opinions, that they think they are so easily silenced and shut down because somebody has a different one.
Its pretty unreal.

It could've been any point. I just chose that one because it was popular. For you to say it was a 'bad point' proves this went over your head. I'm saying that we don't often go into any thread and just tell people to deal with it and go about their day. No one is saying anything about silencing, but you certainly are being very dismissive of this glamour option. You're not bringing an opposing argument, just telling people to suck it up because you find this complaint to be trivial. I'll say it again, anyone can find anything to be trivial depending on their thoughts, preferences, etc.

You're not silencing anyone, but if this glamour option holds no importance for you in whether it does or does not get implemented, I fail to see why you choose to so vehemently engage with this thread still, just to dismiss people who are for it as trivial.

[ZephyrMenodora]

The concept behind the thread is not wanting to have sexual glams forced on you. Same as how you can disable adventurer plates. Not everyone wants to be a part of or consents to being a part of everything in the game, especially when it involves ERP and sexual content.
People are asking for the tools to deal with the problem themselves, but you and a few others seem to be incredibly upset and offended at the idea that not everyone wants the same thing as you.

You can mute people who are being weird in chat, that censors their expression. You can disable people's avdenture plates, that censors their expression. How is this any different? You're acknowledging some things other people do might not be what you want, and so you take steps to deal with it instead of either leaving the game or having to confront the person.

Wasn't done eye-rolling your last post, so I'll just continue through this one. If you can't handle a bikini skin and other PG-13 clothing in this game don't play it - or ever go outside..

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It could've been any point. I just chose that one because it was popular. For you to say it was a 'bad point' proves this went over your head. I'm saying that we don't often go into any thread and just tell people to deal with it and go about their day. No one is saying anything about silencing, but you certainly are being very dismissive of this glamour option. You're not bringing an opposing argument, just telling people to suck it up because you find this complaint to be trivial. I'll say it again, anyone can find anything to be trivial depending on their thoughts, preferences, etc.

You're not silencing anyone, but if this glamour option holds no importance for you in whether it does or does not get implemented, I fail to see why you choose to so vehemently engage with this thread still, just to dismiss people who are for it as trivial.

Because you are on an open forum, does anybody even know what that is or even means? XD
So if you have an idea, or a topic of discussion....it gets discussed. Either people agree, or disagree, maybe people see issues and want to work for a solution, other times is a bad idea and heres why, or here is another idea. These things happen, sometimes it goes into a fullon Debate.
These things happen in an Open Forum.
If you dont want to be challenged or hear any opinion or discussion that might possibly disagree with you, an Open Forum isn't the place for discussion.

And, Im guessing you aren't paying attention....because I did bring the counter-argument that just simply ignoring and looking away from a glamour you dont like, is better, easier, and factually Cheaper then implement a Hide Glamour feature into the game. I didnt exactly word it that way originally, but that IS what I basically said.
I also said adding in a Feature like this could take away time from other things that could be developed, and I even made a list; saying basically, this is how this feature would basically effect me.
You sounded like you were reading the posts...but you somehow missed mine....that did in fact add to the conversation.

but you and a few others seem to be incredibly upset and offended at the idea that not everyone wants the same thing as you.

This point goes both ways on both sides of any, and every discussion, ever.
ESPECIALLY this one.

[Krotoan]

> So you believe the option already would cause distress for people and then cause additional distress knowing WHO specifically uses it? If you already don't care about the former, why care about the latter?

I think the idea that it distresses people is silly but I'm not going to discount those people entirely. The idea is to make a net total positive in experience.

> Other player's avatars are now able to be altered in the eyes of others, which annulls part of their gameplay experience - character expression without perception through others is impossible.

one more time for the gallery: This does not prevent you from expressing yourself to ANYONE who wishes to experience it.

However that's completely fine and you need not be punished or anything of the sort, just in turn not able to express your char through glam either for fairness' sake. Let's say you got assigned a random other player's glam instead. That way nobody would even know that you use the feature.

Why is one person not seeing your "expression" so dire? In what way are they preventing someone else from expressing themselves. If anything the net effect is one less person who HATES what you're doing. Do you really really need to have that person "experience" you?

The entire idea that this should be eye for an eye means you see this as some sort of punishment to the person who will never know it's in use. It's not a deal, it's not an exchange, it's not even targeted at one particular person.


"hey I'd like to not deal with the eccentricities of people I'm not actually interested in interacting with!"

"WELL YOU GOTTA LOSE SOMETHING FOR THAT".

really?

Fortunately no MMO in history has ever allowed people to turn off glamors, or whatever they are called in said game,

GW2. Recent. Popular. has this feature.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

I'm just going to bring up a point that I hope was mentioned before:

The likelihood of a feature existing to invalidate the work that the dev team has put into creating the glamour system as well as the items that can be glamoured utilizing it is low as it would invalidate and ignore the time, energy and effort the dev team put into making the system and the professionally made gear assets that they introduced in the first place. It doesn't matter what players think, it doesn't matter what opinions anyone holds here. The development team isn't going to create or code a feature that allows one to ignore the work they put into the game in such a way. It's a nonsense request and always has been.

There are plenty of things I don't like seeing but I'm not so narcissistic as to demand that the development team invalidate their own work on the game by allowing me to hide thsse things.

It's a choice to pay attention to things you don't like, you can ignore it. It's really not that hard.

Let the thread die, move on.

[Joven]

Just saying you dont have one, with extra steps.

No, it just means your reply was idiotic and not worth a proper response. Take that however you want, I don't care.

Either way I've wasted enough of my limited posts on you. Take care.

You're over blowing having to see other player's glamours.

So you ignore everything I said just for a quick "gotcha". Ok.

[Bobby66]

And I have conceded that its not up to me if it happens or not. If its implemented, thats up to the Devs, Director and Company, regardless of anybodies thoughts or opinions.
The negative remains, its still time away from other features they could be working on, but again thats just opinion and not up to any of us in the end.



I need an explanation why you cant just go about your day and not be bothered by other peoples glamours / Fashion.
Why do we need a feature to hide others glamours, when you can just look away and ignore it?



This...doesn't really answer their Question.
They aren't even seeking Validation...they asked; basically...if your Claim is true that "The point of the glamour system is to make an aesthetic pleasing to you for you. Not of you for everyone else." then the question is... "...if that is true, Then why do you see other people's glamours when they apply them?"
Calling it narcissism...isn't an answer...

My point was based around a hypothetical where dev time would not be taken up, and what I am saying is at the core the side that is against this features main reasoning starts to fall apart in a vacuum. The core only reason to be against this in the hypothetical is because of vanity for the most part. Which if you ask me is kind of petty.