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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    When you're stuck in a duty it's kind of hard to "just not look at it" and like I said to another person on here: since we're so keen on telling others what to do then just wear something else.

    Also, for the billionth time, this isn't forcing anyone to do anything.
    Its...VERY easy. The boss, the environment, the health meter, the enemy health meter, the party health meter, the mechanics, the effects, the skill effects.
    There is SO much more to look at, then somebody's Avatar & Glamour.
    Dont like it? Just dont look at it
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  2. #3032
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Way to try and entirely sidestep the substance of my refutation of your points, and trying to pivot into tone policing. If you don't have a counter aruegment, that's fine, but no need to resort to ad hominems
    You pointed your finger at me. That got the refutation you seek. You threw out incorrect assumptions and I responded. Now you’re just looking for a fight

    How about, instead, you try to justify your position. Why must people see your glamour? How are you effected by what is on someone’s screen which you would have no knowledge of?

    This request is as innocent as having a colour blind option. Yet you can’t give any valid answer as to how someone else’s option to toggle would impact your own experience.

    No, instead, seems you just have a control issue
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  3. #3033
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xylira View Post
    Way to try and entirely sidestep the substance of my refutation of your points, and trying to pivot into tone policing. If you don't have a counter aruegment, that's fine, but no need to resort to ad hominems
    Let us just say resources were not a factor and this could be added with no impact on other features. What is your problem then? At the core your issue with it stems from your own personal disdain for the idea. It is not rooted in logic just preface, your reasoning at the core is not any more valid or invalid then those in favor of the feature.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 01-19-2023 at 08:52 AM.

  4. #3034
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Let us just say resources were not a factor and this could be added with no impact on other features. What is your problem then?
    If it were that easy, it would have been added to the game in 2020 or sooner.
    ...over 300 pages ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Its...VERY easy. The boss, the environment, the health meter, the enemy health meter, the party health meter, the mechanics, the effects, the skill effects.
    There is SO much more to look at, then somebody's Avatar & Glamour.
    Dont like it? Just dont look at it
    Again, since we're so keen on telling other people what to do, just wear something else.
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    Gamers don't die, we just go AFK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Again, since we're so keen on telling other people what to do, just wear something else.
    That sounded like a demand....

    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Nobody is demanding anything.
    The Cracks are Forming....
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  7. #3037
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    If it were that easy, it would have been added to the game in 2020 or sooner.
    ...over 300 pages ago
    You are missing the point of the question, the point is those that are against it at the core reasoning is not less or more valid then those in favor of it the feature. At the core you just do not like something and do not want it added simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    That sounded like a demand....



    The Cracks are Forming....
    Conflating two seperate things isn't going help your case.

    Of course you never really had a case to begin with.
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  9. #3039
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    You are missing the point of the question, the point is those that are against it at the core reasoning is not less or more valid then those in favor of it the feature. At the core you just do not like something and do not want it added simple as that.
    I stand by my statement regardless.
    Call it a Preemptive strike on anybody who might say "its an easy feature to add" or actually believe "it wouldn't take any time away from anything"
    Because.....coding takes time. Modding a game that only effects YOUR screen is different then altering game code that effects everything globally live on the server across Data Centers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Conflating two seperate things isn't going help your case.
    Of course you never really had a case to begin with.
    No Counter-argument XD
    You just said "Just wear something else" which is basically telling someone what to do / a demand.
    So....yeah.

    And before you think to say "you weren't making a demand"
    Then ill ask...did you really mean it? 'just wear something else' Or was it just some 'gotcha' to look clever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    You pointed your finger at me. That got the refutation you seek. You threw out incorrect assumptions and I responded. Now you’re just looking for a fight
    Ahh, you mean like flippantly claiming that someone is being obstinate and willfully ignoring one side of the argument simply because they disagree with a position? Or how about then going on to talk down to them like they're just stupid and 'just don't get the facts', which said 'facts' were incorrect by the way. Do those not count as throwing out incorrect assumptions and trying to pick a fight?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    How about, instead, you try to justify your position. Why must people see your glamour? How are you effected by what is on someone’s screen which you would have no knowledge of?
    Because FFXIV is an MMORPG, a social game, and how players choose to present their characters to other players is an extension of that social aspect of the game. To allow disabling of others glamours undermines the social aspect of the game. I stated this already, but you have yet to acknowledge the point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    This request is as innocent as having a colour blind option. Yet you can’t give any valid answer as to how someone else’s option to toggle would impact your own experience.
    Colour blind options do not disable a feature from the game, they are an accessibility feature. Also nice appeal to emotion. And it would impact my experience for knowing that my glamour is less valid. People like showing off their hard ground gear and other glamour, giving the ability to disable such detracts from the social aspect of the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    No, instead, seems you just have a control issue
    This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

    So it's a control issue for me to have my character appear as I'd prefer, yet somehow not also a control issue for other people trying to force how they perceive everyone else around them. Flawless logic

    Once again, you've entirely ignored the substance of my arguments, pretended like I made none, and resorted to ad hominems.
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