It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You are missing the point of the question, the point is those that are against it at the core reasoning is not less or more valid then those in favor of it the feature. At the core you just do not like something and do not want it added simple as that.

I stand by my statement regardless.
Call it a Preemptive strike on anybody who might say "its an easy feature to add" or actually believe "it wouldn't take any time away from anything"
Because.....coding takes time. Modding a game that only effects YOUR screen is different then altering game code that effects everything globally live on the server across Data Centers.

Conflating two seperate things isn't going help your case.
Of course you never really had a case to begin with.

No Counter-argument XD
You just said "Just wear something else" which is basically telling someone what to do / a demand.
So....yeah.

And before you think to say "you weren't making a demand"
Then ill ask...did you really mean it? 'just wear something else' Or was it just some 'gotcha' to look clever?

[Bobby66]

I stand by my statement regardless.
Call it a Preemptive strike on anybody who might say "its an easy feature to add" or actually believe "it wouldn't take any time away from anything"
Because.....coding takes time. Modding a game that only effects YOUR screen is different then altering game code that effects everything globally live on the server across Data Centers.




No Counter-argument XD
You just said "Just wear something else" which is basically telling someone what to do / a demand.
So....yeah.

And before you think to say "you weren't making a demand"
Then ill ask...did you really mean it? 'just wear something else' Or was it just some 'gotcha' to look clever?

Say if it could be added no questions asked, would you still feel as strongly as you do to not have it added, or would you be willing to live with it as an option?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Say if it could be added no questions asked, would you still feel as strongly as you do to not have it added, or would you be willing to live with it as an option?

Both.
Id still think its unnecessary and silly. BUT if it was implemented, ah well, its there.
Not like I have any real power here, I just play the game like all of you, its up to YoshiP, the Devs & SE is it actually happens or not.
My Opinion on the matter is just that.

[Bobby66]

Both.
Id still think its unnecessary and silly. BUT if it was implemented, ah well, its there.
Not like I have any real power here, I just play the game like all of you, its up to YoshiP, the Devs & SE is it actually happens or not.
My Opinion on the matter is just that.

What those in favor of the feature are trying to say is that while you have your opinion, the facts remain that said feature would only detract from ones personal experience if they choose to let it. Being as it would be a 100% optional feature it does not inherently take anything way from others in a world where it could be added without any negative. Granted that world is not real but I hope you get where I am coming from.

[Zabuza]

After all these pages, I still don't understand.

I'm told to 'look away', if I don't like someone's glamour. If I do that, I am controlling my visual experience of them on my screen. I am altering their expression on my screen because they are no longer visible. They are likely not aware of it. This is apparently fine.

If a measure is proposed to block certain glamours that someone is wearing on my screen(for example a giant frog or pig), I am altering their expression on my screen because the frog/pig suit is no longer visible. Since it is my screen only, they are likely not aware of it. Yet apparently, this is not fine. This is a problem.

Can anyone explain this to me?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

What those in favor of the feature are trying to say is that while you have your opinion, the facts remain that said feature would only detract from ones personal experience if they choose to let it. Being as it would be a 100% optional feature it does not inherently take anything way from others in a world where it could be added without any negative. Granted that world is not real but I hope you get where I am coming from.

And I have conceded that its not up to me if it happens or not. If its implemented, thats up to the Devs, Director and Company, regardless of anybodies thoughts or opinions.
The negative remains, its still time away from other features they could be working on, but again thats just opinion and not up to any of us in the end.

Can anyone explain this to me?

I need an explanation why you cant just go about your day and not be bothered by other peoples glamours / Fashion.
Why do we need a feature to hide others glamours, when you can just look away and ignore it?

Why do you seek such validation via glamour? Is it narcissism?

This...doesn't really answer their Question.
They aren't even seeking Validation...they asked; basically...if your Claim is true that "The point of the glamour system is to make an aesthetic pleasing to you for you. Not of you for everyone else." then the question is... "...if that is true, Then why do you see other people's glamours when they apply them?"
Calling it narcissism...isn't an answer...

[Zabuza]

I need an explanation why you cant just go about your day and not be bothered by other peoples glamours / Fashion.
Why do we need a feature to hide others glamours, when you can just look away and ignore it?

So your reply to my question is a question, instead of answering? You're essentially telling me that I'm not allowed to be bothered by something and simultaneously conceding that there's no harm in implementing this feature. You're advocating for me to 'look away' which would alter their visual appearance on my screen, since they would be gone from my screen. Yet you won't stomach the thought of being able to hide glamours.

I guess people should just not be bothered about anything, then. Don't be bothered that headware for Viera/Hrothgar still hasn't been fixed, or any plethora of other grievances aired on these forums. These people should just not be bothered and go about their day.

[Eisi]

It needs to be an equal exchange I think.

If you want to display other characters in generic attire, you'd have to in turn forfeit being able to show off your glamour to others and appear in genetic attire on their screens as well.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So your reply to my question is a question, instead of answering? You're essentially telling me that I'm not allowed to be bothered by something and simultaneously conceding that there's no harm in implementing this feature. You're advocating for me to 'look away' which would alter their visual appearance on my screen, since they would be gone from my screen. Yet you won't stomach the thought of being able to hide glamours.

I guess people should just not be bothered about anything, then. Don't be bothered that headware for Viera/Hrothgar still hasn't been fixed, or any plethora of other grievances aired on these forums. These people should just not be bothered and go about their day.

It wasn't directed at me. You didnt quote me, or name me, so I wasn't at liberty to answer. Cause you could have been talking to anybody.
And no, dont put words in my mouth, I never said that at any capacity. I shouldn't have to repeat myself because Ive been pretty clear about this already....I have no power and dont dictate what is put into the game, none of us do. If this feature is put in, its up to the Devs, Director, and the company. If it IS there...whatever. But in my opinion I think its a silly feature. Because Glamours in a Videogame, are not that different from Fashion IRL. If you dont like it...ah well, just look away and go on about your day.

Putting said feature in game doesn't harm anybody, the same can be said that not caring and looking away from Glams you don't like doesn't harm anybody.
However one feature takes less dev time and is cheaper then the other option.

Hrothgar/Viera and other general grievances have nothing to do with this conversation; Hiding Glamours. Be better if you stayed on topic instead of dragging in other unrelated topics.

I'd be 100% OK with that and was even considering commenting this.

I haven't glam'd in a long, long while and wouldn't care if I forfeit the ability to do so.

You dont need to Sir.
You are Transmoged as the Great Mandervile man!

[Bobby66]

And I have conceded that its not up to me if it happens or not. If its implemented, thats up to the Devs, Director and Company, regardless of anybodies thoughts or opinions.
The negative remains, its still time away from other features they could be working on, but again thats just opinion and not up to any of us in the end.



I need an explanation why you cant just go about your day and not be bothered by other peoples glamours / Fashion.
Why do we need a feature to hide others glamours, when you can just look away and ignore it?



This...doesn't really answer their Question.
They aren't even seeking Validation...they asked; basically...if your Claim is true that "The point of the glamour system is to make an aesthetic pleasing to you for you. Not of you for everyone else." then the question is... "...if that is true, Then why do you see other people's glamours when they apply them?"
Calling it narcissism...isn't an answer...

My point was based around a hypothetical where dev time would not be taken up, and what I am saying is at the core the side that is against this features main reasoning starts to fall apart in a vacuum. The core only reason to be against this in the hypothetical is because of vanity for the most part. Which if you ask me is kind of petty.