Smoking emote.

[Pratini]

I don't think thats a good idea to be really honest.

[Bobby66]

I don't think thats a good idea to be really honest.

Why if I may ask? That aside, do people really feel an emote would glamorize the action? Does the drinking emote glamorize drinking? Sure you can say maybe they are not drinking booze, we can say they are not smoking a harmful substance. This seems like a weird hill for people to die on just because they dislike like it IRL. This game is not IRL.

[Midareyukki]

Why if I may ask? That aside, do people really feel an emote would glamorize the action? Does the drinking emote glamorize drinking? Sure you can say maybe they are not drinking booze, we can say they are not smoking a harmful substance. This seems like a weird hill for people to die on just because they dislike like it IRL. This game is not IRL.

It's not about what we think. It's about people who work at ratings think. And they've increased ratings for far less. If a character isn't portrayed as smoking in a negative way (by them being a villain), or if the act of smoking isn't explicitly viewed as bad (like having your character cough and cartoonishly throw it away), it can be perceived as glamourized.

For further examples, check out the Hays code. It's not the same, but it's similar in its execution: if the action exists, it must be portrayed as either negative or have connotations around it that show it's an immoral act, such as being associated to immoral characters.

[Bobby66]

It's not about what we think. It's about people who work at ratings think. And they've increased ratings for far less. If a character isn't portrayed as smoking in a negative way (by them being a villain), or if the act of smoking isn't explicitly viewed as bad (like having your character cough and cartoonishly throw it away), it can be perceived as glamourized.

For further examples, check out the Hays code. It's not the same, but it's similar in its execution: if the action exists, it must be portrayed as either negative or have connotations around it that show it's an immoral act, such as being associated to immoral characters.

Well sure we have very little say, it is still interesting to get the reasoning from players that are against the suggestion. Even if ratings were an issue it could be a bubble pipe, yet throughout the thread it appears even that portrayal could be seen as a glamourization of smoking.

Why is that the case for smoking and not drinking? Both could be argued as immoral acts and both.

Sure we will never get the answer.

[Midareyukki]

Well sure we have very little say, it is still interesting to get the reasoning from players that are against the suggestion. Even if ratings were an issue it could be a bubble pipe, yet throughout the thread it appears even that portrayal could be seen as a glamourization of smoking.

Thing is why is that the case for smoking and not drinking? Both could be argued as immoral acts and both.

Could also be sensibilities. Plenty of people frown upon tobacco and drinking included due to their impacts on peoples' healths. Now, while you can argue there can be benefits to alcohol (as there are in red wine, for example), those benefits only exist with moderation. Smoking has no benefit that exists even with moderation.

And plenty of people likely know someone who suffered or suffers from smoking-induced illnesses. Which contributes to the unpopularity.

That and the smoke kind of stinks x_x I just like it for the *aesthetic~*, but even I acknowledge an aesthetic can easily lead to harm.

[Raoabolic]

Could also be sensibilities. Plenty of people frown upon tobacco and drinking included due to their impacts on peoples' healths. Now, while you can argue there can be benefits to alcohol (as there are in red wine, for example), those benefits only exist with moderation. Smoking has no benefit that exists even with moderation.

And plenty of people likely know someone who suffered or suffers from smoking-induced illnesses. Which contributes to the unpopularity.

That and the smoke kind of stinks x_x I just like it for the *aesthetic~*, but even I acknowledge an aesthetic can easily lead to harm.

I don't like drinking and prostitution. Can we delete dwarves and "those" npcs from Limsa's upper decks? You know, for sensibility's sake. :^)
Besides, if we are talking smoking then you are kind of being disingenuous with your arguments if you are lumping every form of smoking into cigarettes. Grown tobacco is a different beast than big name cigarettes that add a ton of stuff to the stick.

[UkcsAlias]

Grown tobacco is a different beast than big name cigarettes that add a ton of stuff to the stick.

But the problem is that its very hard to see the diffirence when someone is smoking. And in most cases its the bad stuff rather than the good. Yet with alcohol, its usualy light alcoholic drinks.

But the only reason alcohol is accepted is because history has proven that its one of the best supporting things for relationships. When in a pub, alcohol lowers a lot of treshold for communication (smoking doesnt do this!). This social aspect is a major driving factor for relationships. And evolution naturaly benefits from reproduction, which these relationships generaly cause to happen faster. As a result, the human body adapted quite well to it and it rarely causes physical issues as a result.

Toasting on that is only just a minor action, it isnt even close to alcohol abuse (which is the only actual problem with alcohol, unlike smoking which is a problem very early). It takes quite some time to get someone to alcohol abuse, and nearly always the real cause lies somewhere else. Alcohol is just a mitigation tool for them (a poor one on that). A single toast rarely has caused any harm, yet the celebration part often causes a very positive reaction to the body.

Alcohol in low volumes is often healthy. And while natural tabaco might also have this effect, unlike alcohol its not a simple molecule, and therefor is going to be facing a lot more bad additives.