Smoking emote.

[Midareyukki]

Would anyone be interested in a smoking emote or am I in the minority when it comes wanting a smoking emote.

I want to say "no" because of rating systems, sensibilities, health hazards and cultural outlook on smoking or displays of smoking as a neutral/benevolent action...

But god yes, I want Highlanders and Roegadyn with a cigar. That'd just look hot.

Edit: OR A PIPE

[Pratini]

I don't think thats a good idea to be really honest.

[Bobby66]

I don't think thats a good idea to be really honest.

Why if I may ask? That aside, do people really feel an emote would glamorize the action? Does the drinking emote glamorize drinking? Sure you can say maybe they are not drinking booze, we can say they are not smoking a harmful substance. This seems like a weird hill for people to die on just because they dislike like it IRL. This game is not IRL.

[Midareyukki]

Why if I may ask? That aside, do people really feel an emote would glamorize the action? Does the drinking emote glamorize drinking? Sure you can say maybe they are not drinking booze, we can say they are not smoking a harmful substance. This seems like a weird hill for people to die on just because they dislike like it IRL. This game is not IRL.

It's not about what we think. It's about people who work at ratings think. And they've increased ratings for far less. If a character isn't portrayed as smoking in a negative way (by them being a villain), or if the act of smoking isn't explicitly viewed as bad (like having your character cough and cartoonishly throw it away), it can be perceived as glamourized.

For further examples, check out the Hays code. It's not the same, but it's similar in its execution: if the action exists, it must be portrayed as either negative or have connotations around it that show it's an immoral act, such as being associated to immoral characters.

[Bobby66]

It's not about what we think. It's about people who work at ratings think. And they've increased ratings for far less. If a character isn't portrayed as smoking in a negative way (by them being a villain), or if the act of smoking isn't explicitly viewed as bad (like having your character cough and cartoonishly throw it away), it can be perceived as glamourized.

For further examples, check out the Hays code. It's not the same, but it's similar in its execution: if the action exists, it must be portrayed as either negative or have connotations around it that show it's an immoral act, such as being associated to immoral characters.

Well sure we have very little say, it is still interesting to get the reasoning from players that are against the suggestion. Even if ratings were an issue it could be a bubble pipe, yet throughout the thread it appears even that portrayal could be seen as a glamourization of smoking.

Why is that the case for smoking and not drinking? Both could be argued as immoral acts and both.

Sure we will never get the answer.

[Midareyukki]

Well sure we have very little say, it is still interesting to get the reasoning from players that are against the suggestion. Even if ratings were an issue it could be a bubble pipe, yet throughout the thread it appears even that portrayal could be seen as a glamourization of smoking.

Thing is why is that the case for smoking and not drinking? Both could be argued as immoral acts and both.

Could also be sensibilities. Plenty of people frown upon tobacco and drinking included due to their impacts on peoples' healths. Now, while you can argue there can be benefits to alcohol (as there are in red wine, for example), those benefits only exist with moderation. Smoking has no benefit that exists even with moderation.

And plenty of people likely know someone who suffered or suffers from smoking-induced illnesses. Which contributes to the unpopularity.

That and the smoke kind of stinks x_x I just like it for the *aesthetic~*, but even I acknowledge an aesthetic can easily lead to harm.

[Bobby66]

Does not make much sense to me, but I can see where due to the sensitive nature may fuel a higher degree of ire and less tolerance.

Many seem to be in favor of a bubble pipe option so we can hope one day they add something akin to that as a gag type emote.

Though some appear to even be against that degree if portrayal.

I did read a recent study that does suggest that even moderate consumption of alcohol the risks may out weigh the benefits. Forgot the details of the study if I find it I will post it. Not sure what was the avg ABV consumed during the study.

[Raoabolic]

Could also be sensibilities. Plenty of people frown upon tobacco and drinking included due to their impacts on peoples' healths. Now, while you can argue there can be benefits to alcohol (as there are in red wine, for example), those benefits only exist with moderation. Smoking has no benefit that exists even with moderation.

And plenty of people likely know someone who suffered or suffers from smoking-induced illnesses. Which contributes to the unpopularity.

That and the smoke kind of stinks x_x I just like it for the *aesthetic~*, but even I acknowledge an aesthetic can easily lead to harm.

I don't like drinking and prostitution. Can we delete dwarves and "those" npcs from Limsa's upper decks? You know, for sensibility's sake. :^)
Besides, if we are talking smoking then you are kind of being disingenuous with your arguments if you are lumping every form of smoking into cigarettes. Grown tobacco is a different beast than big name cigarettes that add a ton of stuff to the stick.

[RobynDaBank]

I mean, if smoking was completely abhorrent Yotsuyu wouldn't be pictured with a pipe. Wouldn't it be all or nothing with the people in charge of rating?

[AnotherPerson]

I don't like drinking and prostitution. Can we delete dwarves and "those" npcs from Limsa's upper decks? You know, for sensibility's sake. :^)
Besides, if we are talking smoking then you are kind of being disingenuous with your arguments if you are lumping every form of smoking into cigarettes. Grown tobacco is a different beast than big name cigarettes that add a ton of stuff to the stick.

The thing is that drinking is more or less an adventurer staple in fantasy genres (where you go to a bar and such). In FF, it's more common to always find a bar, so it's really not uncommon to get a toast emote. Drinking in this game is more of a celebration than the act of drinking in itself, which coincides the social aspect of the activity where it has a morally upright usage. Heck, we even have miscellany with shaking and shooting champagne bottles - all indicating a cause of celebration. Drinking is not harmful in moderation and often seen as acceptable for celebration, but the same cannot be said of smoking.

Prostitution is not something you can take part of in this game, nor looked in a positive light. I mean, then again people can't tell if you use mods to get those emotes, but that's against the ToS so :shrug: It's not officially endorsed. The most this game offers is embrace & Dote, which are have more morally upright connotations as long as you're not using it in a creepy fashion (which at that point, you can be reported for harassment if used improperly).

I figure the reason why we don't have a smoking emote is because it falls under the same category as the aformentioned reason: lacks a morally upright connotation. Not exactly because it doesn't happen in game, but there's no societal standard for seeing it in a good light, and the WoL is supposed to be that role model people look up to.