Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[Reinha]

Cap the xp reward based on the item level one is wearing upon queuing. So if you have item level 140 when you queue, you get an amount of xp suitable to a level 50 even if you are level 80. If one is actually level 50 or overleveled it doesn't matter, but it makes cheesing the queue unrewarding.

[LaylaTsarra]

Cap the xp reward based on the item level one is wearing upon queuing. So if you have item level 140 when you queue, you get an amount of xp suitable to a level 50 even if you are level 80. If one is actually level 50 or overleveled it doesn't matter, but it makes cheesing the queue unrewarding.

How about just making the higher level raids worth more? The same reward for the same amount of effort is the issue they need to address. They've done it with Main Scenario for quite some time.

[Reinha]

How about just making the higher level raids worth more? The same reward for the same amount of effort is the issue they need to address. They've done it with Main Scenario for quite some time.

With my suggestion, the higher level raids would be worth more than cheesing.

[Ayche]

Enforcing that you must have all 24-man raids unlocked is not a huge ask.
Especially since this would only apply to people who want to use the roulette.
Also 24-man raids should have strict ilvl syncs to ensure they can never truly be overgeared for.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

With my suggestion, the higher level raids would be worth more than cheesing.

You haven't incentivized people to run the higher raids with your suggestion though.

Statistically, with how insanely biased CT is towards getting it due to several factors even beyond ilvl cheesers, what your suggestion effectively does is trading ilvl cheesing to people just taking the gamble. Then when they see harder raids, they just simply take the 30min penalty instead. Well, the first guy at least. The rest get the free ticket out and get to requeue instantly for a very high chance at getting the ultra simple & quick run they want. In fact, your suggestion can easily cause more problems for the higher raids by forcing people up into them that simply don't want to be there.

So long as an imbalance exists at a fundamental level for the higher raids vs CT in terms of time vs reward investment, people will exploit any methods & tools to get the run they want. You won't fix the problem by forcing people who have no interest in doing the longer raids to do them, you'll just cause an even greater potential for backfire and problems by potentially crucial roles like healers bailing the moment they see an instance they don't want.

The solution with the least amount of potential issues is to siphon CT off into its own roulette and keep it with the rewards it does now for current alliance. People sick of CT get to stay away from it, people who want the ultra easy runs get to have them, and anyone on either side willing to put up with what the other roulette entails will get to double their rewards for the day. Wins all around.

[Reimmi]

There really aren't "dozens" of possibilities to take into account. It's definitely requires a rework of the system a bit, but there should be 2 requirements for alliance roulette:


1. You have unlocked all of the raids up to your highest level job
2. You have an ilvl that matches the latest alliance raid that the job you're queuing up for has reached

It's not an "easy" thing to program, but there isn't some large number of scenarios that need to be accounted for. You want alliance roulette on your character? Go through all of the alliance raids you have access to. You want to queue up? Make sure you're geared enough for any of them you might get.

Nobody is forced to do any alliance raids that they don't want to, but you don't get the roulette unless you have them all unlocked.

This wouldn't be hard for them to program. it's already in the game
Mentor roulette requires having cleared almost every non savage piece of content in the game and being high enough ilvl to queue for all of them

[Saraide]

You haven't incentivized people to run the higher raids with your suggestion though.

Statistically, with how insanely biased CT is towards getting it due to several factors even beyond ilvl cheesers, what your suggestion effectively does is trading ilvl cheesing to people just taking the gamble. Then when they see harder raids, they just simply take the 30min penalty instead. Well, the first guy at least. The rest get the free ticket out and get to requeue instantly for a very high chance at getting the ultra simple & quick run they want. In fact, your suggestion can easily cause more problems for the higher raids by forcing people up into them that simply don't want to be there.

So long as an imbalance exists at a fundamental level for the higher raids vs CT in terms of time vs reward investment, people will exploit any methods & tools to get the run they want. You won't fix the problem by forcing people who have no interest in doing the longer raids to do them, you'll just cause an even greater potential for backfire and problems by potentially crucial roles like healers bailing the moment they see an instance they don't want.

The solution with the least amount of potential issues is to siphon CT off into its own roulette and keep it with the rewards it does now for current alliance. People sick of CT get to stay away from it, people who want the ultra easy runs get to have them, and anyone on either side willing to put up with what the other roulette entails will get to double their rewards for the day. Wins all around.

Depending on which alliance raid you get, taking the 30 allows you quicker access back into duty finder than sticking it out with the group.

[Toutatis]

It’s optional content so no. Also I am convinced that iLvl cheese is not that much of a problem and it wouldn’t change anything.

The player base is simply greater for the CT raids. There are many reasons for getting CT.

1. People may be levelling a job and their level is too low to access the next tier;
2. Despite being over levelled and willing to unlock the next tier, one may not have reached the point in the MSQ that allows them to unlock the next tier of raids (along with the tome gear);
3. ftp are limited to CT and HW raids so that eliminates 3 out of 5 series
4. someone may be queuing CT specifically (msq, relic weapon quest or just because)
5. Pure “luck”. Even if the whole team is in 600+ gear and has everything unlocked, roulette could still take you to CT.

As for unlocking the other raids, optional content is well, purely... optional as the name says. CT are the only mandatory raids. There is a lot of content in the game for someone starting to play these days versus someone who had the chance to unlock content over the years. People may want to do their MSQ and unlocking all that side content takes a significant amount of time. I made a new character on the new DC and bought a level boost...there is a daunting amount of blue markers all over the maps and unlocking the optional ARs is not my priority. If/when I get there, I will not unlock Dun Scaith or Tower of Paradigm: I don’t like Dun Scaith and tower hurts my eyes. Someone else may not like 24m raids enough to unlock the others.

Also, a new player may not even know about those raids. The quest givers are not exactly in the most obvious locations. They could move the initial quest givers or add a messenger to areas with high traffic. For example, atm to start the Nier raids quest, you have to go back to Kholusia even though you have no other reason to do so and talk to the little guy in a far corner of the map.

They should also provide greater rewards for the other raids to give an incentive to unlock them and run them. Atm for a reward that is basically the same, you can spend 15 mins in CT or, if your alliance sucks, 1 hour in Orbonne (recently left a group that had reached the 50 minute mark at the 2nd boss as that’s all the time I had). Not everyone can play for hours every day.

You don’t want to do CT? Simply queue for a raid of your choice. You don’t have to use the roulette. The main purpose of roulette is to help others complete content they wish/need to do so take control of it and stop complaining.

[UkcsAlias]

The only way to stop ilvl cheese is

for the roulette to look at your current level of the job you are queuing as.

I was 80 with WHM while not even finished with the main part of the HW MSQ. Level and ilvl alone wont cut it. Use MSQ progress as part of the trigger!

So when you start ShB, the demanded level becomes 70 for any class that is 70 or higher. And adding to that, it can then also demand the alliance raids to be unlocked (and for that it should obviously hint to the missing quests and not the raids themselve). As in this case it becomes impossible for anyone to cheese (as the ilvl scales with the demanded level), and it prevents people from not having unlocked the raids. While the raids are optional, so is this queue, the check can be harsh for that without any issues.

It wont disrupt EW since the check stops at 80 (there is no expansion after EW to set this to 90).

[Reimmi]

Pretty sure you can't queue for the roulette if you are below the WoD ilvl so an ilvl requirement does exist already. And removing CT raids is not going to change the fact that it willnjust be Void Ark that will proc the most which is actually a far worst scenario considering how many activities outside of MSQ are tied to CT. Having said that, its a non issue. If people don't like CT Rauds, stop doing alliance roulette. Its obvious it has like a 90% chance to pop. Don't keep needing threads, it's here to stay and has been for years.

The problem with this "who cares" logic is it makes every alliance raid queue except CT longer.
If i want to farm rabanastre i have to sit through 2+ hour queues as any role. That defeats the purpose of the roulette, which is to help queue times