Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

With my suggestion, the higher level raids would be worth more than cheesing.

You haven't incentivized people to run the higher raids with your suggestion though.

Statistically, with how insanely biased CT is towards getting it due to several factors even beyond ilvl cheesers, what your suggestion effectively does is trading ilvl cheesing to people just taking the gamble. Then when they see harder raids, they just simply take the 30min penalty instead. Well, the first guy at least. The rest get the free ticket out and get to requeue instantly for a very high chance at getting the ultra simple & quick run they want. In fact, your suggestion can easily cause more problems for the higher raids by forcing people up into them that simply don't want to be there.

So long as an imbalance exists at a fundamental level for the higher raids vs CT in terms of time vs reward investment, people will exploit any methods & tools to get the run they want. You won't fix the problem by forcing people who have no interest in doing the longer raids to do them, you'll just cause an even greater potential for backfire and problems by potentially crucial roles like healers bailing the moment they see an instance they don't want.

The solution with the least amount of potential issues is to siphon CT off into its own roulette and keep it with the rewards it does now for current alliance. People sick of CT get to stay away from it, people who want the ultra easy runs get to have them, and anyone on either side willing to put up with what the other roulette entails will get to double their rewards for the day. Wins all around.

[Saraide]

You haven't incentivized people to run the higher raids with your suggestion though.

Statistically, with how insanely biased CT is towards getting it due to several factors even beyond ilvl cheesers, what your suggestion effectively does is trading ilvl cheesing to people just taking the gamble. Then when they see harder raids, they just simply take the 30min penalty instead. Well, the first guy at least. The rest get the free ticket out and get to requeue instantly for a very high chance at getting the ultra simple & quick run they want. In fact, your suggestion can easily cause more problems for the higher raids by forcing people up into them that simply don't want to be there.

So long as an imbalance exists at a fundamental level for the higher raids vs CT in terms of time vs reward investment, people will exploit any methods & tools to get the run they want. You won't fix the problem by forcing people who have no interest in doing the longer raids to do them, you'll just cause an even greater potential for backfire and problems by potentially crucial roles like healers bailing the moment they see an instance they don't want.

The solution with the least amount of potential issues is to siphon CT off into its own roulette and keep it with the rewards it does now for current alliance. People sick of CT get to stay away from it, people who want the ultra easy runs get to have them, and anyone on either side willing to put up with what the other roulette entails will get to double their rewards for the day. Wins all around.

Depending on which alliance raid you get, taking the 30 allows you quicker access back into duty finder than sticking it out with the group.

[Reinha]

Then when they see harder raids, they just simply take the 30min penalty instead. Well, the first guy at least. The rest get the free ticket out and get to requeue instantly for a very high chance at getting the ultra simple & quick run they want.

Good, they should pop the queue to a higher raid and leave instead of pulling other people to level 50 raids with their tricks. Cheesers get a penalty, a new queue time or a lower reward and people who didn't cheese get a normal reward. There are literally no downsides. A handful of people leaving a 24 man does not matter in the slightest. It happens all the time.

The solution with the least amount of potential issues is to siphon CT off into its own roulette and keep it with the rewards it does now for current alliance. People sick of CT get to stay away from it, people who want the ultra easy runs get to have them, and anyone on either side willing to put up with what the other roulette entails will get to double their rewards for the day. Wins all around.

False. Ilvl cheesers will do it again to get only Void Ark and then everyone is stuck there every day. The best thing to do is to discourage cheesing altogether by making it less rewarding than not cheesing.

[Ayche]

Enforcing that you must have all 24-man raids unlocked is not a huge ask.
Especially since this would only apply to people who want to use the roulette.
Also 24-man raids should have strict ilvl syncs to ensure they can never truly be overgeared for.

[Nyxs]

Enforcing that you must have all 24-man raids unlocked is not a huge ask.
Especially since this would only apply to people who want to use the roulette.
Also 24-man raids should have strict ilvl syncs to ensure they can never truly be overgeared for.

Why should people be forced to unlock and do optional content they dont want to do? Thats a hard no. If you want to do a certain one queue it directly or accept your roulette.

[Ayche]

Why should people be forced to unlock and do optional content they dont want to do? Thats a hard no. If you want to do a certain one queue it directly or accept your roulette.

Because roulettes are basically volunteering to get bodies into old content.
If you want the roulette rewards, you gotta be willing to volunteer to run content you don't personally like.
If you never want to take the risk of running old content you have zero tolerance for, just forgo the roulette rewards.

[PyurBlue]

Because roulettes are basically volunteering to get bodies into old content.
If you want the roulette rewards, you gotta be willing to volunteer to run content you don't personally like.
If you never want to take the risk of running old content you have zero tolerance for, just forgo the roulette rewards.

SE could instead make roulettes enjoyable. Having to put up with content you don't find fun isn't a selling point and isn't something to defend.

[Atelier-Bagur]

SE could instead make roulettes enjoyable. Having to put up with content you don't find fun isn't a selling point and isn't something to defend.

Thats kinda subjective. The only way they can make CT enjoyable is to finally update the damn raids to the current level of quality and spectacle offered by the newer ones. Although part of the fun with endgame raids are the fact that you have more access to your toolkit soooo...

[NekoMataMata]

SE could instead make roulettes enjoyable. Having to put up with content you don't find fun isn't a selling point and isn't something to defend.

You missed the point...

Roulettes can be enjoyable or unenjoyable, but regardless, you won't always get to do the content that you want to do because the purpose of roulettes is to help fill in queues.

Roulettes give you rewards because you're filling in necessary slots, helping other players get into duties. When you do roulettes with a full party of friends or manipulate the roulette with your gear, you cheat a system that's supposed to benefit the community. It's a system set up so that you help players and in return you get rewards. It's a two way street. If you're not willing to help out with content that you've unlocked then you shouldn't join the roulette, not the other way around.

I don't know how many times we have to reiterate this.

Besides that, how exactly do you want to change roulettes to be enjoyable when as you've already mentioned, enjoyment and fun is subjective(not to mention that roulettes consist of a variety of duties within each queue and you'd have to apply that change to all of them)?

If you believe that would be the eventual end result, then this is a terrible solution regardless.

Why is it a terrible solution?

People are currently abusing the system, so therefore, why should the system itself continue to exist?

[Nyxs]

Because roulettes are basically volunteering to get bodies into old content.
If you want the roulette rewards, you gotta be willing to volunteer to run content you don't personally like.
If you never want to take the risk of running old content you have zero tolerance for, just forgo the roulette rewards.

Just because someone doesnt want to unlock every single piece of content you think they shouldn’t get to do roulettes? How very self-entitled of you to think you get to decide everyone has to do everything. No one has to. If its not required for MSQ its OPTIONAL content. You do know what that word means right?