Add iLevel restrictions to Alliance Roulette

[Mimilu]

Best solution is to upgrade the exp in Nier, Rabranastre raids to measure up against the time investment to complete the raid. CT is sub 15min, Nier is a 45min investment that gives more or less the same amount of EXP.

That and add rewards to them.
Make it so you can trade in the tokens you get at the end of completing them for prizes like the minions, orchestrian rolls, and gear (so if people want them, they don't have to rely on RNG), and add new rewards like level 1, dyeable version of the gear that any job could wear, mounts, etc. (❁´▽`❁)*✲ﾟ*

[Jeeqbit]

These item level requirements already exist.

You require 50 for Labyrinth, 70 for Syrcus, 90 for WoD, 175 for Void Ark and so on.

[Derio]

The only way to stop ilvl cheese is

for the roulette to look at your current level of the job you are queuing as.

Then if you have the alliance unlocked and meet the level requirements to sync your ilvl up to the content.

[UkcsAlias]

The only way to stop ilvl cheese is

for the roulette to look at your current level of the job you are queuing as.

I was 80 with WHM while not even finished with the main part of the HW MSQ. Level and ilvl alone wont cut it. Use MSQ progress as part of the trigger!

So when you start ShB, the demanded level becomes 70 for any class that is 70 or higher. And adding to that, it can then also demand the alliance raids to be unlocked (and for that it should obviously hint to the missing quests and not the raids themselve). As in this case it becomes impossible for anyone to cheese (as the ilvl scales with the demanded level), and it prevents people from not having unlocked the raids. While the raids are optional, so is this queue, the check can be harsh for that without any issues.

It wont disrupt EW since the check stops at 80 (there is no expansion after EW to set this to 90).

[Deveryn]

This really didn't need another thread. It's already going in the same direction. If you come up with a solid new idea that takes everything into account, then it might be worth a new thread.

[Gember]

The reason why everyone gets Crystal Tower is because its the only raid series that is required by MSQ and its the lowest level raids. People leveling alt jobs just tend to be there because of their level. Item level cheesing is a low percent as to why we get CT all the time. New players come in everyday, and there is sooo many people who don't unlock the other alliance raids. So unless the MSQ ties them all together; just expect a lot of CT raids.

[Jeeqbit]

I've got tired of making counter-arguments to this because it's posted every day, but Mrhappy made a video on it https://youtu.be/RCoooKmF6NU?t=761

[BelegErkhten]

Duty Roulette pulls you in to duties that people are queued for
People getting naked to force themselves into LotA are not forcing you into LotA with you
Duty Roulette does not conjure up an instance for the first 24 people to queue together, it compares your gear to what duties are currently being run and puts you in to the Highest Level Duty that has been waiting the longest that you are eligible for
Please stop spreading the disinfo that the naked Balmungers are forcing you to play boring raids, you are just queuing at dead hours when people aren't running the cool content that people actually want to play. If you are using alliance raid roulette to level and are not at max level, you literally do not get to complain because it prioritizes giving difficult content to higher level players.
I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works.
The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them.

[LaylaTsarra]

The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them.

Firm believer that is what happens. You can be sure when they get the duty that they are in one with level 50 players. I always check my party and 9/10 there is a 50 and that is only one alliance.

[Midareyukki]

Duty Roulette pulls you in to duties that people are queued for
People getting naked to force themselves into LotA are not forcing you into LotA with you
Duty Roulette does not conjure up an instance for the first 24 people to queue together, it compares your gear to what duties are currently being run and puts you in to the Highest Level Duty that has been waiting the longest that you are eligible for

And just like that you shot down any chance you had at being reasonable.
- If the system compares your gear as to what is being currently run, it will not force your low ilv to a high-end duty like NieR. You said so yourself.
- Not everyone here is on the Crystal Datacenter, nor on NA. I'm on Zodiark: EU Datacenter.
- "I have queued for Alliance Roulette 3 days in a row now across 3 characters and every time its been NEIR or Ivalice. I swear nobody who plays this game understands how the Duty Roulette works." Great that that's been your experience, but I queued for it last week and I happened to have a female character totally naked there, so... Your point? "Because it does not happen to me, it cannot happen to you"?
- I'm running content during the day until midnight on my end. Queues for any sort of content stagnate at around midnight (PvP becomes absolutely dead by then). So no. I play in the afternoon and past noon.
- "The naked people are forcing themselves into low level content but they are not dragging in there you with them." The roulette pairs anyone up with anything. They're forcing everyone, themselves included. Hence why even if no one was doing the naked thing, you can still have people who aren't new to the instance. In case you didn't know, there is such a message when someone hasn't cleared it. Meaning that you can all land into low level stuff because of the item level comparison.

In a roulette, this is normal, because even if you all have a high item level, you can still land on CT. But if someone's item level is lower than, say, Rabanastre, you cannot get Rabanastre and duties beyond it. This goes for everything, including Levelling Roulette. Why do you think so many people find it odd that they're in their high 80's and can end up getting Sastasha as a duty in Level Roulette?

The last 3 times I've done alliance roulette (within the last week), I got one Lab and two WoD. The first two, I saw a 67 in my party, so it was already slim pickings. In the most recent, it was someone's first time.

Folks can talk about the cheese all they want, but we're so far into this discussion on two threads and there's still no real solution that doesn't have the potential to really change things for the better for all. If cheese was the one and only factor in roulette selection, this would be a different conversation and we'd actually be in agreement on a change being necessary.

So because we can't seem to find one as players who don't know what's behind the code to the extent the devs do, there's no point in changing?

Firm believer that is what happens. You can be sure when they get the duty that they are in one with level 50 players. I always check my party and 9/10 there is a 50 and that is only one alliance.

Meaning the other two alliances could have landed literally anywhere else?

I am being perfectly reasonable and the solution is for you to get a full party and use the Limited roulette function instead of being antisocial. If your community sucks, build a better community, NOTHING that I posted was factually incorrect, you just want to be miserable and complain. If Dynamis were real you'd be turning into a Blasphemy right now.

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"Instead of being antisocial"? :| Uhh... explain that to me, please? Where are you getting this from? Because I can't make the community bend to my will? xD

Also... "nothing"? Sweetie... where's the Zodiark Datacenter located? Where is Balmung located?

Riiiight. So. Troll? Troll.