Getting your health chunked / killed while Guard is up is the worst feeling.

[Elfidan]

Funny you mention animation lock deaths, because I've mained the job for over 3 years now, and back when the animation locks were horrendous I barely died. Guess it's just a skill issue or something.

It's always fun to see clueless keyboard warriors start slandering their own jobs fellow player base. I'm sure doing subpar damage to dance around an unnecessary animation lock is a strong show of skill.

That's something new to me. How does it work with SCH? For example, if I put Bio on someone guarding and spread it, does it do less damage to everyone hit by the spread? And if I spread Bio on someone who isn't guarding and it hits someone who is guarding, does the DoT still do less damage to the person guarding?

DRG's LB is not weak at all, even if the color change was added. A get-out-of-jail-free card, 20k AoE potency around 10y, 30k AoE potency around 5y, AND Geirskogul 25% damage buff, it's seriously good.
It's an LB that's stronger with team coordination, like DNC. It definitely doesn't need CC tacked on top of it too.

Yes color change because when I'm focusing three people and the faint marker for drg blends with the crystals ambient glow effect I'd like to know if it's friend or foe rather than guess and hope. You can't always depend on getting to limit break inside your burst window. The real power comes from having the enemy team grouped up which by the way is a gimmick Karasio. Again role lock issues you cannot and will not have a synergy partner most of the time. You're leaning very heavily on the ifs and buts of everything going perfectly instead of the average.

[Karasio]

It's always fun to see clueless keyboard warriors start slandering their own jobs fellow player base. I'm sure doing subpar damage to dance around an unnecessary animation lock is a strong show of skill.

Only one clueless here is you. I have literally played the job for over 3 years up to savage raids. Also, love how you just spout some random bullshit with absolutely no backing. You have no actual arguments to make so you're just typing for the sake of typing to start shit. No meaningful conversation to be had with you.

[Elfidan]

Only one clueless here is you. I have literally played the job for over 3 years up to savage raids. Also, love how you just spout some random bullshit with absolutely no backing. You have no actual arguments to make so you're just typing for the sake of typing to start shit. No meaningful conversation to be had with you.

You literally started this and also carried through savage good to know. Three years wow that's amazing WOOOOOW.

[Towa-Musa]

Only one intelligent here is you. I have literally played the job for over 3 years up to savage raid. i also love how just because i cleared savage raids for 3 year means nothing in pvp and im probably not all that smart for bragging about that in a pvp thread, you're right sorry.

Yup, the lalafell is pretty smart.

[flowerfairy]

Yes color change because when I'm focusing three people and the faint marker for drg blends with the crystals ambient glow effect I'd like to know if it's friend or foe rather than guess and hope. You can't always depend on getting to limit break inside your burst window. The real power comes from having the enemy team grouped up which by the way is a gimmick Karasio. Again role lock issues you cannot and will not have a synergy partner most of the time. You're leaning very heavily on the ifs and buts of everything going perfectly instead of the average.

In midcore to high-end gameplay, I think the main usage of DRG's LB shifts from "nuke clueless noobies" to "zone control via damage threat." It's a common tactic in various PvP games.
For example, Dva's nuke in Overwatch instakills anyone who isn't a tank with a defense buff. In reality, you're not supposed to be getting hit by it in the first place because she yells out a voiceline and it takes a while for it to explode. Moving behind a wall or a shield is the basic counterplay behind it. However, there's counterplay against that counterplay. Dva without her mech can't do much, but she already gains zone control because of the threat of getting instakilled. A teammate can also stun Rein's shield, Sombra can use her ult in unison, Lucio can boop someone hiding to the nuke, etc.

DRG also has that tactic; if there's a teamfight inside the payload, DRG's LB basically says "If you don't go away, you DIE." The counterplay is to either go away or use Guard to keep contesting the payload. If you go away, you lose zone control and DRG's team gets to keep pushing. If you use Guard, you're vulnerable to getting bursted in the next 30s.

And anyways, I don't think you can adjust the LB without completely changing it. Adding CC to it won't fix the fact that you can just run away from it. Increasing the speed to catch up with people running away also sounds silly broken and the damage will have to be nerfed to the point of obsolete.

[Elfidan]

In midcore to high-end gameplay, I think the main usage of DRG's LB shifts from "nuke clueless noobies" to "zone control via damage threat." It's a common tactic in various PvP games.
For example, Dva's nuke in Overwatch instakills anyone who isn't a tank with a defense buff. In reality, you're not supposed to be getting hit by it in the first place because she yells out a voiceline and it takes a while for it to explode. Moving behind a wall or a shield is the basic counterplay behind it. However, there's counterplay against that counterplay. Dva without her mech can't do much, but she already gains zone control because of the threat of getting instakilled. A teammate can also stun Rein's shield, Sombra can use her ult in unison, Lucio can boop someone hiding to the nuke, etc.

DRG also has that tactic; if there's a teamfight inside the payload, DRG's LB basically says "If you don't go away, you DIE." The counterplay is to either go away or use Guard to keep contesting the payload. If you go away, you lose zone control and DRG's team gets to keep pushing. If you use Guard, you're vulnerable to getting bursted in the next 30s.

And anyways, I don't think you can adjust the LB without completely changing it. Adding CC to it won't fix the fact that you can just run away from it. Increasing the speed to catch up with people running away also sounds silly broken and the damage will have to be nerfed to the point of obsolete.

Even though it's push the cart You can't really compare this to overwatch which is meant to be played like advanced rock paper scissors. You can't swap to counterplay even if there was such a think outside the intelligent use of silence and MoN which feel oppressive when used correctly. You can compare the diva nuke to drg LB if you want, but it's a bad take since diva is can you see it where drg is proximity to drg + bonus for proximity to teammates. We're comparing apples and oranges here.

It very easy to tweak the base no bonus damage totals. Adding CC to the class would bring it more in line with the other melee in terms of team synergy instead of just having nin, sam, and monk able to burst from 100 to 0 as well as stun, slow, or bind for teammates ready to do so. Meanwhile drg just hope to catch people with their rotation before they walk away from them. Run away from it? Weren't you on the burst window band wagon? How are they going to outrun you quick enough after elusive?