Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
Sounds nice on table, it's horrible overall to balance around timings. Modern raiders don't look at only damage, they look on mitigation tool kits included and Paladin has essentially nothing in comparison. DOTs do not register shield block Mitigation and Paladin only has 2 self cooldowns in that regard.



Pld was fine in SHBs as I keep mentioning, it synced 60s-2 mins with an manipulation and wasn't a loss.



Not really until it's rotation has optimised taking several weeks. Paladin going in blind content it's DPS is below, or on par a Healer.
Lets go over this:

1. Mitigation, I actually agree that PLD's mitigation is lacking I would like to see more defensive cooldowns, maybe reworking it's self healing (so it's still there or even stronger) so it's not tied to rotation, it should also have at least one more personal, I believe it lacks 2 self mitigations, having 2 raid wides doesn't really make up for it, also Blocks should work aganist dots, Intervention can also be buffed a bit so it's not worse holy shelltron for a friend, In general you can make it's mitigations less janky, rework cover ect. I agree that PLDS the worst defensive tank when it should really be one of the strongest ones. But every time I mention PLD's mitigations being clunky and bad compared to other tanks I get "only dps matters!" (not from you, but most people).

2. PLD SHB was good, I prefer EW PLD in general from gameplay, it's a bit more Janky, SHB PLD struggled a lot more defensively then EW PLD, but it was still viable, you could never really MT as PLD unless you wanted a DPS loss, there was general clunkyness to the design of SHB PLD. But in general it was a good job from a rotational standpoint.

3. Pretty sure you're incorrect that PLD will do "Healer damage" in unoptimized situations this seems like a exaggeration, it will generally be a bit behind warrior in damage, for sure PLD needs the be the most "Optimised" but I see that as a strength in the job, if you're able to do more damage because you optimised your rotation for that fight, it actually makes the job more interesting.


I'm not saying any changes to PLD would be bad, but I don't think I'm hopeful for the rework.