Brian from Work 2 Game is leaving FFXIV

[RyuDragnier]

has the community perception NOT always been that they dont really give a shit about anything other than JP?

My statement is more of one on JP player mentality on playing games, which is very likely different from NA and EU player mentalities. Most NA players are terrified at the mere thought of raiding due to the stereotype of toxic raiders and the anxiety of not being good enough. That may not be a thing in JP, leading to more people willing to do it over there. I don't know a damned thing about JP gaming culture though.

[Rolder50]

JP doesn't equal NA or EU. Different mindsets between the communities leads to a lower percentage for raiding.

Even when you look at NA-EU, the percentages are around 5-15% depending on Data Center (With Crystal as an outlier being like 1-5%). At that point it depends on how you define the word "tiny". Plus there's the fact that raiders have knock-on effects on the rest of the community. For example lets look at people who exclusively farm gil with crafters and such. Who is going to buy hugely expensive day 1 crafted gear if not raiders?

[raelgun]

My statement is more of one on JP player mentality on playing games, which is very likely different from NA and EU player mentalities. Most NA players are terrified at the mere thought of raiding due to the stereotype of toxic raiders and the anxiety of not being good enough. That may not be a thing in JP, leading to more people willing to do it over there. I don't know a damned thing about JP gaming culture though.

Its actually because of scrutiny the average playerbase in Japan plays better because they think of the group (funny that the west deems this as toxic), not themselves in a selfish fashion.

They also just play content that is delivered by the Devs, and actually like playing socially.

[MagiusNecros]

JP tends to enjoy team games. And are all about coordination.

NA is more individualistic and wants their clear and then wants to get out. Usually with as little interaction as possible.

As for the percentage of players raiding it would be more apt to give a percentage of the current 1.3 million playerbase.

But it's probably fair to say that 50% raids and 50% don't. After all why make raids the endgame focus if a low amount is doing them.

[Rolder50]

Its actually because of scrutiny the average playerbase in Japan plays better because they think of the group (funny that the west deems this as toxic), not themselves in a selfish fashion.

They also just play content that is delivered by the Devs, and actually like playing socially.

Yep, in my understanding, Japanese social etiquette just in general is more focused on the benefit of the group over the benefit of the individual. Whereas in the West it's usually the opposite, the benefit of the individual takes priority.

This comes across in Party Finder in that the individual JP player will put more effort into learning the fight and their class ahead of time as to not bring down the group, and if they do poorly they are more likely to excuse themselves. Whereas in NA/EU PF, the average player is far more likely to just blame someone else like the healer or tank and not put in as much effort into fixing their own mistakes.

[Ranaku]

JP tends to enjoy team games. And are all about coordination.

NA is more individualistic and wants their clear and then wants to get out. Usually with as little interaction as possible.

As for the percentage of players raiding it would be more apt to give a percentage of the current 1.3 million playerbase.

But it's probably fair to say that 50% raids and 50% don't. After all why make raids the endgame focus if a low amount is doing them.

Dunno "endgame" is a really subjective thing tbh. for many player even crafting is their true endgame. There are more casual players out there who don't care about raiding than you think but JP players have a overwhelming higher number of clears than NA or EU.

[Midareyukki]

But yeah, let’s keep blaming toxic positivity. As of it’s simply a counter force of toxic negativity. Those two cannot exist without each other.

Yeah, and both are worthy of criticism.

So when you say

Where’s toxic positivity when you need it?

Aword, you're literally doing the exact opposite of what you want. You're saying the opposite of what you want. You should have said to stop being toxic overall, allow people to complain as much as you allow them to praise rather than "where's the other extreme when you need it?". If you state that you disagree or prove them wrong when it starts getting into the realm of facts rather than subjective opinion, and they refuse to listen, just drop it. Because at that point you're talking to a wall.

As it stands, this forum in general has people that do nothing but complain and can't throw a bone at the developers when something good's done. The game is just on a downhill slide and people who have any modicum of hope are just stupid.
And it also has people that do nothing but dismiss valid complaints and acknowledge consecutive issues that need to be addressed for the game to remain healthy and shut down any conversation under the pretext of negativity.

Yeah, there are a lot of threads that do nothing but complain over minor things. You also have threads where people provide the absolute most hairbrained ideas without thinking of collateral effects. As well as how you have people that do nothing but complain about people complaining in the most condescending, insulting way possible. And you have people that absolutely ignore what people write and and keep insist on their interpretation even after people have explained what they really meant about a dozen times. Those people just love being contrarian and acting like utter idiots that cannot read just to spark drama.
Neither side has a "when you need it". It just derails the topics into "He said She said". And it's goddamn tiring.

So no. Both sides are problematic, and we shouldn't want to have "a counter to X". Because guess what, Toxic Negativity is, in turn, a counter to Toxic Positivity. Neither side wins, everyone just gets tired.

[LianaThorne]

Even when you look at NA-EU, the percentages are around 5-15% depending on Data Center (With Crystal as an outlier being like 1-5%). At that point it depends on how you define the word "tiny". Plus there's the fact that raiders have knock-on effects on the rest of the community. For example lets look at people who exclusively farm gil with crafters and such. Who is going to buy hugely expensive day 1 crafted gear if not raiders?

Hugely expensive is a stretch now since they're delaying savage a week. You don't need to pay exorbitant amounts and can wait for prices to drop from undercutting. At least if you're smart that's what you'd do since there's no rush anymore.

[Wolwosh]

I love when people claim people interested in raiding are the tiny minority. when over in JP they account for upwards of 30% of the population (according to Lucky Bancho statistics).

Imagine not raiding in 14.. What is there to stay subbed for? O_o Island Sanctuary lol?

[MagiusNecros]

Dunno "endgame" is a really subjective thing tbh. for many player even crafting is their true endgame. There are more casual players out there who don't care about raiding than you think but JP players have a overwhelming higher number of clears than NA or EU.

And that is the other 50%.

For JP the reward is doing the fights with people. For everyone else though if you don't have gear or a mount attached as a reward many will call it a one and done. And sometimes that isn't enough to play the bullet hell time attack versions of fights.

I'll only do raids these days for the story and theatrics on "normal " or if they lock a BLU spell behind it. As that is more meaningful then a piece of gear or a mount I'll never use.

Course there is is also the long game of choosing to wait till next expansion to play last expansions content where gearing multiple jobs becomes incredibly easy when they make the old level cap gear a very easy Poetic grind and you can just overgear yourself for that content, watch a guide and not interact with anyone ever and clear mechanics like it's a piece of cake.

Instead of spending months gearing a job you can gear multiple in just a few days.