Yoshi-P "definitive" answer on third party tools from today's 14 hour stream

[Midareyukki]

Vote dismiss is entirely irrelevant. We are talking about PFs. 'Expressions that exclude someone' is also irrelevant because you do not need to state a reason to kick someone from your PF. You can do so without saying a single word. No PF host is forced to keep you in the party. You have no right to be in someone's PF party, they are giving you the privilege to be there.

I should probably edit that post since people are clearly not reading it. I said "tangentially rub on the topic". Because FireMage is right: you can kick people out for differences in playstyle.
But you can't kick someone for underperforming and pointing it out through parses. And I don't think people will sit and wait for you to count things on the Battle Log when they ask you "Hey, where are you getting the information that I'm the one underperforming to such extent?"

Okay but Midare, lets say the person just got dismissed without a word. What then?

:shrug:

Why are you asking me this? I was just answering FireMage who wanted evidence to Atelier's statement that it's against the TOS to kick someone from the PF due to parses.

...are you guys even reading the context AT ALL? xD


If they kick you without saying a word, then I suppose you can report it??? I guess???? But I didn't see anything about it, and I personally just move on with my life :P But I'm not Square, and since I haven't found anything about that, then, again: hell if I know xD

Edit: I cannot believe I have to do this but here we go!

This was Atelier's post to Azuri, claiming you can't use parses as a reason to kick people from PF parties.
To which FireMage then asked for evidence. I got curious and I posted what the ToS actually say.

Anything past this is not my purview, and I stated it as well: it's really confusing sometimes because Square's just that vague. I know as much if not probably less than you guys. The one thing I do know is what Square did write, and they wrote that much.

Edit Edit :P Because post limits!

It's not even tangentially related. There is no vote dismiss in PF.

Alright. Now that I agree, I'm ovestepping and adding in Duty Finder as a reality to this. My apologies then.

You can cite other things "Like that SAM didn't use a single Midare"

I guess. And that's something you actually can pay attention to. I've paid attention to people executing their combo finishers or not even bothering with positionals before, so this can happen. But if it's like... the heat of battle and you see a pattern but don't know for sure if the person's the reason why you're not doing enough, or if the whole party's that trash, then that can be a bit hard.

Though :P In which case! The hell are you even doing in that party xD leave

Still. That's what the TOS itself says, in its vague glory.

Actually the hell am I saying?? Dude, Atelier says "parses", you looking at what people are doing isn't parses. It's observation :| it's not the same as what you were asking evidence for!!!
(Well, Azuri, not Atelier, but you responded to Atelier's response to Azuri)

Because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just tossing the Terms of Service out like a shield to hide behind, and are actually willing to think. I updated my previous post, but the gist of it is "This is how the game typically operates; when someone is kicked, it's silently" and that "it's a bit naive to expect every elitist to be a moustache twirling monster who tries to rub salt in the wound."

Well then I hope that it became clear to you that I'm not using it as a shield (?), just answering what someone asked for: proof that you cannot use parses as justification to kick someone from PF.

The rest was a mix of vagueness that you guys helped clarify and, as Saraide pointed out, me erroneously expanding the concept over to Duty Finder. I'm not defending myself of anything xD I literally just parachuted into this convo, with limited posts!