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    The whole utility of defensive CDs/raise regarding BLM vs SMN/RDM is the same situation we're seeing with PLD/WAR vs GNB/DRK.

    PLD/WAR have more party utility and gives more party survivability which is nice during prog because if you go for a fast clear you're definitely not as geared as the group getting p8s on the 6th week.

    RDM suffers the same than PLD. They have raise like SMN. They have Magick Barrier which is fantastic in a progression scenario. But once you've cleared, you can forget the button and not need it anymore. Suddenly, Magick Barrier loses value. Only content it remains really strong is in Ultimate fights which isn't accessible to everyone.

    Raise, however, can always be good. While casting raise does reduce your DPS. It did help my group get a reclear on P7S when both healers died and it took me 5s to raise both of them; just in time for the last party AoE and clear just fine. Unless raise becomes a Caster role action with a cooldown of 2 minutes or so; I am to believe RDM/SMN do need to do 2%-3% less DPS than BLM. In a hardcore week 1 prog mindset, favoring BLM over a raise caster is literally throwing for your group.

    Regarding Black Mages, the problem with them is the Crit/DH change didn't buff them but it buffed a lot of melee DPS so they're about 4% behind melees (with the exception of Reaper). I honestly believe BLM is fine. The issue is that all melees have been overtuned because of Reaper's strong release. They buffed melees to be on Reaper level. Even Black Mage was uplifted to Reaper's level. Now reaper is behind. What I do not want to see is a significant buff to Black Mage and Reaper and leaving nothing to ranged physical and caster. That would be a giant slap in our face as melee DPS and BLM are snowballing from each others. If they feel the current melee DPS are doing good damage. Then they need to uplift DPS from all casters, all ranged physical and reaper.

    Reaper the guy who says MCH is more brain dead than RDM. Firemage Li I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't consider or value his opinion. He's a one trick RDM player that only plays RDM so RDM will always look better in an argument. "MCH is brain dead. RDM requires more brain cells" for example. I guess it is really hard to control black/white mana that was made ridiculously easy in Endwalker. There is no fight that requires thinking this tier on RDM. The only fight that is rough is P8S on the door boss. It doesn't require brain. RDM just get owned from lack of mobility on 1 mechanic and severely underperforms (but they also do much better than SMN on the second boss)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    RDM just get owned from lack of mobility on 1 mechanic and severely underperforms (but they also do much better than SMN on the second boss)
    I'm honestly interested in knowing how you handle Purgation on RDM without losing casts, because at this point I can dance around Cthonic Vents but Purgation is a mechanic that aggravates me to no end.

    EDIT: oh you meant 8s part 2, I'm dumb.
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    Last edited by SaberMaxwell; 10-02-2022 at 03:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    I'm honestly interested in knowing how you handle Purgation on RDM without losing casts, because at this point I can dance around Cthonic Vents but Purgation is a mechanic that aggravates me to no end.

    EDIT: oh you meant 8s part 2, I'm dumb.
    Sure, I can show you the clip of my clear this week. Wasn't great but it sorta show what I did. I honestly do RDM there because my group hold buffs and I can't suffer from desyncing my Bahamut.

    Aikaal#0001 is my discord.

    I think we're talking about the 6minutes burst window of P7S? I don't have any issue with that mechanic.

    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Imagine actually saying this. Also I love living rent free in the heads of trolls, it's both hilarious and pathetic
    Imagine defending a bad take. Maybe RDM is super complicated for you. Difficulty is subjective to the player but I figured a 1 trick RDM player like you shouldn't have issues. Wait.. I'll keep it as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Sure, I can show you the clip of my clear this week. Wasn't great but it sorta show what I did. I honestly do RDM there because my group hold buffs and I can't suffer from desyncing my Bahamut.

    Aikaal#0001 is my discord.

    I think we're talking about the 6minutes burst window of P7S? I don't have any issue with that mechanic.
    Purgation is the one where people got in trouble for the sleepo strat waymarkers, the one that forces the party to run back and forth across practically the whole arena yeah.

    What I've taken to doing is a 2 minute pot followed by an 8 minute potted burst instead of trying to brute force a potted burst during that mess, and it's worked out pretty well for me, but the question of how to not miss any GCDs during Purgation is still there for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Purgation is the one where people got in trouble for the sleepo strat waymarkers, the one that forces the party to run back and forth across practically the whole arena yeah.
    Is there a strat that doesn't require running back and forth, given the way it works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Is there a strat that doesn't require running back and forth, given the way it works?
    Nope, at least not that I know of. Only strat I've seen that simplifies anything is Sleepo which reduces the process of deciding which direction you're running in and makes healing easier since the group never splits, but running distance is basically unchanged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Nope, at least not that I know of. Only strat I've seen that simplifies anything is Sleepo which reduces the process of deciding which direction you're running in and makes healing easier since the group never splits, but running distance is basically unchanged.
    Just thinking about it, the only thing I can think of that could possibly alleviate it is having a static stack point, winds adjusting to it. Sometimes you might be able to have a consecutive stack point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Purgation is the one where people got in trouble for the sleepo strat waymarkers, the one that forces the party to run back and forth across practically the whole arena yeah.

    What I've taken to doing is a 2 minute pot followed by an 8 minute potted burst instead of trying to brute force a potted burst during that mess, and it's worked out pretty well for me, but the question of how to not miss any GCDs during Purgation is still there for me.
    Mmm yeah, I do 2/8 pots and I do cast at 2.43 GCD because of the pants so I do a triple melee combo without pot there with swiftcast, acceleration, sprint and a few dual casts here and there I don't lose anything but it is sorta tight lol.

    Also,

    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    RDM shouldn't be at the bottom, MCH and SMN should. RDM should be in the middle of the pack, along with RPR. The gap should be ~5%, not 1% and definitely not the ~11% we have now. You just don't understand how balance works
    We all agree that guy is cringed as hell?
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