The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Striker44]

Okay but this is also a place for discussion and feedback, not the dev congratulations echo chamber

Making counter threads whenever controversy happens is just white knighting and helps nobody

Not necessarily. Especially when you consider how some people here consider the simple number of pages a thread has as an indication of how much "support" the initial thought has (rather than acknowledging it could be a thorough discussion with people on both sides). It's not "white knighting" at all to make one post about a topic saying you enjoy it in a forum surrounded by a bunch of other negative posts. Positive feedback is feedback, too. Or is that the plan? Say "this should be about criticism, anybody posting positive things is just a shill" then saying "see there's only negative posts here, the devs are horrible and should change everything they do." There's no honesty there. It might not help the perpetual naysayers to see people posting positive comments, but it does in fact help everyone to show that said naysayers aren't the norm among the wider playerbase.

Frankly, it amuses me to see how the same people will claim there are all of these other sites that are utterly and completely intolerant of any negative comments about the game, just filled with oodles of people praising the devs, and how these forums are the only place where one can post negative comments...and then in the next breath claim that the negative comments from our few dozen or so folks here are somehow massively representative of the wider community and should be taken as the norm.

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

[ameliaw]

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

You do realize that the OP lowkey insults people who are complaining about the balance, right?

[Supersnow845]

Not necessarily. Especially when you consider how some people here consider the simple number of pages a thread has as an indication of how much "support" the initial thought has (rather than acknowledging it could be a thorough discussion with people on both sides). It's not "white knighting" at all to make one post about a topic saying you enjoy it in a forum surrounded by a bunch of other negative posts. Positive feedback is feedback, too. Or is that the plan? Say "this should be about criticism, anybody posting positive things is just a shill" then saying "see there's only negative posts here, the devs are horrible and should change everything they do." There's no honesty there. It might not help the perpetual naysayers to see people posting positive comments, but it does in fact help everyone to show that said naysayers aren't the norm among the wider playerbase.

Frankly, it amuses me to see how the same people will claim there are all of these other sites that are utterly and completely intolerant of any negative comments about the game, just filled with oodles of people praising the devs, and how these forums are the only place where one can post negative comments...and then in the next breath claim that the negative comments from our few dozen or so folks here are somehow massively representative of the wider community and should be taken as the norm.

It's actually quite telling that even with the echo chamber here, the naysayers can't even allow one positive topic to exist without coming in and trying to passively-aggressively disrupt it or take it down. It's sad that people are so negative, they can't even accept other people having fun. That's when it's time to step back, take a break, and realize one might just be taking a game too seriously.

A positive topic is fine and you’ll see past positive topics are always well received, a positive topic that basically amounts to “don’t look at all those people complaining everything is fine UWU” is just stupid and a waste

I certainly couldn’t care less overall (I basically sit on these forums because I get enjoyment out of arguing I don’t really care about the topic it’s not like I actually get angry or involved over it) but it’s just funny that people have had 4 months to praise the devs (6.1 was well received) but not gotta wait till the community on here gets angry then throw the UWU bomb

[Shibi]

If something is as I'm expecting (the "bare minimum" as you put it), and I already enjoy it, I would consider that worthy of praise.

That's - by definition - only a participation award.

Think: "Congratulations you, you got your computer turned on all by yourself today! Well Done!" and you see how vapid it is.

And this sort of crap - that seemingly infests schools today - only leads to genuine worthy praise becoming meaningless and worthless.

"Oh wonderful job Mary, you managed to tie your shoelaces! Have a gold star! And you Einstein came up with a new formula for the theory of life, the universe and everything, yes, you can have a gold star too! Now go sit down you two and we will give Jane a gold star for sharpening her pencils"

[Axxion]

A positive topic is fine and you’ll see past positive topics are always well received, a positive topic that basically amounts to “don’t look at all those people complaining everything is fine UWU” is just stupid and a waste

I certainly couldn’t care less overall (I basically sit on these forums because I get enjoyment out of arguing I don’t really care about the topic it’s not like I actually get angry or involved over it) but it’s just funny that people have had 4 months to praise the devs (6.1 was well received) but not gotta wait till the community on here gets angry then throw the UWU bomb

going to see if you know the reference. did you take your joy today?

[Supersnow845]

going to see if you know the reference. did you take your joy today?

How dare you quote we happy few at me haha

[Axxion]

How dare you quote we happy few at me haha

is it wrong to say that if feels like a lot of people take joy on here tho :P

and them tags tho

[IkaraGreydancer]

Okay but this is also a place for discussion and feedback, not the dev congratulations echo chamber

Making counter threads whenever controversy happens is just white knighting and helps nobody

Thanking the devs IS feedback though. So stop with the double standard dude. This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The fact you just call it "congratulations echo chambering" says alot

[AwesomeJr44]

You do realize that the OP lowkey insults people who are complaining about the balance, right?

No, because they don't bother reading the OP, they just skip to the end and give us the same tired speech about 'toxicity' and 'haters' and that anyone who cares about the game enough to criticize it needs to 'step back and take a break'.

They're the critic police. Nobody's gonna dare say something potentially negative on their watch!

that is the most crazy thing to say. people are enjoying it which is fine but what about the issues that they having? Place it on the fourm. and beside if you think complain is bad then stop play a male miqote then. They never was playable until after a AAR due to people complaining.

Now to the topic. There are so much to unpack. What a lot of this boils down to is not blindly praise anything. Take meta critic on the day after post of ender walker as a good example . You praise when things are good, when things are bad we provide feed back. we don't just make a post to counter something and then try to say that that only 2% don't even know what they are talking about. While as we legit always try to do that but you know what? many people including yourself are the same one to shut down criticism. Take drk and living dead. People actually thought that was the best invul in game and it was planned. I can count how many time that i died because i planned using it and still died because of the healer does not know how it works. After years it finally got fixed after yoshi p said him self that he was not aware that this was an issue.

Yoshi and his team gets a lot of praise no matter what. When another game does bad, game journalist will always reference aar as a example to fix there game. This is a staple for alot. When he was at e3 i think? a lot of people cheered him on because of what he did to 14. We know they can do better, we want them to do better. As it stand they becoming to complacent. Not going to sugar code it. I do understand that yoshi himself is taking another part as helping to develop the new ff entry. We get tired of the same thing and things not being updated. Like apartments, like the characters, housing, glamour, squadrons etc. We bring these things up and guess what? many people will shut that down because they don't want to change. We get tired of them not explaining the changes. As you can see they recently started doing this. if you notice they add systems on top of systems that they never go back to update. Feedback to you is that you need to start asking questions to see why people upset.

The problem is that they don't consider the forums to be for feedback. They don't understand the core fundamental purpose of these forums.

The forums were invented for FEEDBACK, which in many cases is negative. This is not a social media website like Reddit or Twitter where you are meant to shower the dev team with praise for no reason whatsoever. Is it ok to praise the devs when they do well? Of course. I myself gave the dev team credit when 6.2 was better than I expected it to be. However, it is against the very purpose of the forums to attempt to convert the forums into a positive safe space for the devs. It is against the purpose of the forums to make 'positive' threads where you devote half of your OP to attacking people who dare to be 'negative'. The dev team themselves have gone on record saying that they want FEEDBACK on the forums. Feedback is not always praise. When the devs screw up balancing for a raid, the playerbase should hold them accountable so they fix it. Thankfully they have at least given us a solution due to the backlash, even if it wasn't the best solution.

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?

idk, the only reason this thread is still alive is because people keep coming in and insulting people with standards by labeling them as 'haters'.

[Boblawblah]

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?