The Devs need a much needed thanks!

[Boblawblah]

oh God, this is going to turn into a "woke" or "venat" thread isn't it?

[MichiKyou]

I still enjoy the game.
But I do think the split of developers between XVI and XIV shows a lot now with the current tier.
Balance is at its worst for classes. For the fact in RDPS that there is over 1000:1 clears from DNC:MCH.

Design philosophy changing from 'No we dont take into account how difficult a job is' to 'Oh, we totally do now.'

It leaves a lot to be desired for the raiding community.

[GTK0HLK]

or people coming in and labeling those that enjoy the game as "shills" or "white knights"

the insulting seems to flow quite freely both ways.

and both can be done without being slightly to the other side.[despite the fact they are the same side, except some lean more towards one aspect than the other.]
or simply put argue for the sake of arguing.

this will keep going on and on til people realize.
that the main people conversing one side have been pretty fair. even giving examples of when no one objects.

while the other ignores the OP's slight, and just parrot.

it ends with people just leaving the conversation, and knowing that the thread was started on the wrong foot. By someone with clear intention to cover the feedback given by mostly level headed people.

and when some try to explain their reasoning. others come in and act black and white about it.<from both sides>

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

[Kes13a]

hence why I ask everyone to kindly take some time to think it over.
if what the original poster said. was in good faith on asking for giving thanks to the devs.

or a slight at the people giving feedback veiled by fake give thanks to the devs.

the OP did word things rather poorly for their intent (or was their intent to start this mess)

also seems to be a huge disconnect between "praise" and "thanks"

I enjoy the game, so gave thanks for that, praise is a different story. there are flaws and while one can only assume they are working on them, I dont see a lot of areas for outright praise as being done in a really noteworthy way. those definitions are not equal, as some seem to think.

[AwesomeJr44]

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

Let me ask you this. Even if you disagree with me or others when we put forth criticism of something you like, what kind of culture do you want for the forums?

A forums where we are allowed to be honest, and both positivity and negativity have a place? A place where opinions can be shared freely?

Or a social media website like Twitter or Reddit where only one side of the debate is allowed? Where one side of the debate encompasses everything and anything to the contrary is silenced and expelled?

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

[Silverbane]

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater'

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.
People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

Do you REALLY want people like Silverbane to be the dictators of discussion?

Like this. Classic hater behavior you're showing there, AwesomeJr.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills, but that's not really true. It's really you that's upset you.
Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.
Other people can only point it out, as I have done for you, many times.

A better person than you would learn from it. Well, maybe when you grow up.

[Axxion]

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.
People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

Like this. Classic hater behavior you're showing there, AwesomeJr.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills, but that's not really true. It's really you that's upset you.
Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.
Other people can only point it out, as I have done for you, many times.

A better person than you would learn from it. Well, maybe when you grow up.

going to be serious with you. what is going on with you as of late? This is not me bashing, but just wondering why. Would like to say gratz on the house and you where right that it didn't take 7 plus years for it. But you have been on a rampage( well to me any way). is everything well?

[AwesomeJr44]

And who decides when it is the right time? Apparently, you think it's you, and not them.

I just want to point out that the critics aren't the ones telling you that you can NEVER be positive. All we're saying is that you should be positive when its the right time to be positive and SE does something you like, and that it's ok to be negative when it's the right time to be negative when SE screws up. On the other hand, you have the critic police out in full force, calling anyone who isn't overly positive a 'hater' that should be ignored by polite society.

The right time to be positive is when SE does things you like. Not when they do the bare minimum. Conversely, it's ok to be negative when SE does something you don't like. That does not make you a hater.

Nah, it's just the haters who get called haters.

Define 'haters'. My guess is that 'haters' are people who don't constantly thank SE for everything and actually have the honesty in them to be negative when something's wrong in the game.

People who get obsessed with posters they disagree with and find excuses to attack and lie about them everywhere, even when responding to other people.

I haven't been lying and that's probably the scariest part. Everything I've said about you is true. You HAVE gone into multiple threads to start drama. You HAVE tried to play internet psychologist with me and pick apart my life (even though you failed massively) to discredit my desire that there would be more content during content droughts. You HAVE been a boastful person who can't make a post without either bragging about themselves or their spouse, or claiming to be the victim when someone rightfully points out what you're doing.

Silverbane. If you don't like what you see when I show you a mirror, I'm not the one you're horrified at.

Don't believe me? Need I once more get the housing thread quote as proof? I can link the whole thread for everyone else to see.

Some might think that how much you're upset and obsessed with me is a tribute to my devastating rhetorical skills,

Your rhetorical skills are devastating bad. The only skills you seem to have are bragging and making others mad at you. But that can change. Don't settle for who you are today, go out there, learn new skills, and improve your tomorrow. (I should make that a quote, that sounds really inspiring)

Because on the Internet forums, the only one who can truly humiliate you is you.

Which you've proceeded to do to yourself multiple times. All I've done is provide the evidence.

Well, maybe when you grow up.

I don't mean to offend any other elderly folks who may be browsing the thread, but if growing up means turning into a person like you, I'll pass. Thank you for the offer.

Sometimes, i also think to myself to thank the dev and make this kind of thread, but again, i already paid subscription to the game monthly, it doesnt mean i disagree with this kind of thread, it just people need to remember, we played the game for the fun and paid for it, it is the dev duty and obligation to make sure it is fun for the player to justify the player to keep playing it and paid the subscription, it is simply business in the end of the day

Exactly! And there's nothing wrong with praising the devs when they impress us. But our subscriptions are our thanks for doing the bare minimum, their jobs. Thus if they do not excel, they will receive our subs, but not our praises or thanks.

I've been getting attacked a lot lately; the post above is a response to such an attack.
It's hardly a rampage, though. I've ignored a lot of those attacks.

You've been getting 'attacked' BECAUSE you're going on a rampage. You're showing up to threads, causing problems, then whining that you're getting called out for it. You have it all backwards. Stop the drama and no one will call you out for it. Even me. Seriously, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones with the whole internet psychologist thing if you develop some self awareness and stop what you're doing.

[Ravor]

Sometimes, i also think to myself to thank the dev and make this kind of thread, but again, i already paid subscription to the game monthly, it doesnt mean i disagree with this kind of thread, it just people need to remember, we played the game for the fun and paid for it, it is the dev duty and obligation to make sure it is fun for the player to justify the player to keep playing it and paid the subscription, it is simply business in the end of the day

[VelKallor]

Yes, my child?