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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Nobody is being told to leave (at least not from where Ive looked), quite the opposite; you just told people ""Go watch Marvel if you want low-brow humor and happy vibes all day long."" So...whos the one telling people to leave?
    Again, one is telling people that if they want Marvel to go watch Marvel, and that FFXIV shouldn't try to be something it isn't. The other is telling people that FFXIV should completely alter itself and be Marvel and if you don't like it, leave because you're not welcome anymore. The former is asking that you don't try and change FFXIV when you could instead consume products that fit what you want better. The latter is coming into a pre-existing community and trying to corrupt it into something completely different because you don't care enough about the game or its community to leave it alone and consume something else. There is a big difference between those. It's not hard to understand unless you don't want to. Let FFXIV be FFXIV. FFXIV is not Marvel.

    And whenever someone has a minor critique of the game and makes a thread on it, within two pages they already get comments telling them to leave if they don't like the new direction of the game. (And this is on the Official Forums, a place that is supposedly a negative echo chamber compared to the positive echo chambers that are Reddit and Twitter, so I wonder how bad it must be over there) So yes, we are indeed approaching the 'get out if you don't like what the game has mutated into' stage of the invasion cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    Again, one is telling people that if they want Marvel to go watch Marvel, and that FFXIV shouldn't try to be something it isn't. The other is telling people that FFXIV should completely alter itself and be Marvel and if you don't like it, leave because you're not welcome anymore. The former is asking that you don't try and change FFXIV when you could instead consume products that fit what you want better. The latter is coming into a pre-existing community and trying to corrupt it into something completely different because you don't care enough about the game or its community to leave it alone and consume something else. There is a big difference between those. It's not hard to understand unless you don't want to. Let FFXIV be FFXIV. FFXIV is not Marvel.

    And whenever someone has a minor critique of the game and makes a thread on it, within two pages they already get comments telling them to leave if they don't like the new direction of the game. (And this is on the Official Forums, a place that is supposedly a negative echo chamber compared to the positive echo chambers that are Reddit and Twitter, so I wonder how bad it must be over there) So yes, we are indeed approaching the 'get out if you don't like what the game has mutated into' stage of the invasion cycle.
    An Echo Chamber is an Echo Chamber....Telling People you prefer the game to be one way...are the same thing on both sides.
    Doesnt matter if you think its right or not, or think either side is better. Its the same thing. Both sides are doing the same thing.

    But good point, FFXIV is not Marvel...so dont compare it to Marvel. If I want Marvel, Ill go watch marvel. This is FFXIV, I am Playing and Enjoying FFXIV.
    Goofiness and Light Heartiness existed before and without Marvel, FFXIV having some Goofiness doesnt mean its becoming Marvel XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    An Echo Chamber is an Echo Chamber....Telling People you prefer the game to be one way...are the same thing on both sides.
    Doesnt matter if you think its right or not, or think either side is better. Its the same thing. Both sides are doing the same thing.
    Wanting the game to be what it was made to be and wanting the game to be radically different from what is was are not the same.

    I came to FFXIV way back when because I wanted a good serious story with compelling characters. And we got that all the way up until Endwalker launched as that was what the game was built upon. A good and serious story with fantastic characters. Emet-Selch is probably my favorite fictional character of all time, with a few other FFXIV characters taking the spots directly after. FFXIV was where to go if you wanted an MMO with that kind of story, thus I came to FFXIV for that. This is what FFXIV is supposed to be. This is what is was MADE to be.

    Now, players from other MMOs are invading the game's community and demanding radical changes to the game's tones and storytelling. They arrived, didn't like what FFXIV was and demanded that it be something completely different. Where are the fans of FFXIV supposed to go once FFXIV isn't FFXIV anymore? Well the devs don't care as it's not about the old fans who made the game the success it is. We'll get shoved out the door and forced to either go somewhere else or watch the game we love decay like a rotting corpse. And when FFXIV's playerbase starts to decline, these people will follow us wherever we go and do the same thing again and again and again. We can see this happening over and over across media and it's going to happen here unless the devs start catering to their REAL fans, the people who want FFXIV to be FFXIV and for it be pretty damn good at it too.

    Personally I'm going to give this game a chance and wait until 7.0 to make a decision on whether to stay or leave, just out of respect for the past 9 or so years (and perhaps from hopium that the devs will wake up), but I wouldn't fault anyone for quitting after 6.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    Wanting the game to be what it was made to be and wanting the game to be radically different from what is was are not the same.

    I came to FFXIV way back when because I wanted a good serious story with compelling characters. And we got that all the way up until Endwalker launched as that was what the game was built upon. A good and serious story with fantastic characters. Emet-Selch is probably my favorite fictional character of all time, with a few other FFXIV characters taking the spots directly after. FFXIV was where to go if you wanted an MMO with that kind of story, thus I came to FFXIV for that. This is what FFXIV is supposed to be. This is what is was MADE to be.

    Now, players from other MMOs are invading the game's community and demanding radical changes to the game's tones and storytelling. They arrived, didn't like what FFXIV was and demanded that it be something completely different. Where are the fans of FFXIV supposed to go once FFXIV isn't FFXIV anymore? Well the devs don't care as it's not about the old fans who made the game the success it is. We'll get shoved out the door and forced to either go somewhere else or watch the game we love decay like a rotting corpse. And when FFXIV's playerbase starts to decline, these people will follow us wherever we go and do the same thing again and again and again. We can see this happening over and over across media and it's going to happen here unless the devs start catering to their REAL fans, the people who want FFXIV to be FFXIV and for it be pretty damn good at it too.

    Personally I'm going to give this game a chance and wait until 7.0 to make a decision on whether to stay or leave, just out of respect for the past 9 or so years (and perhaps from hopium that the devs will wake up), but I wouldn't fault anyone for quitting after 6.0.
    Welcome to Business...sad reality. Its their game, we just play it. But everyone is of the same mind, we want the game to be good and fun.
    Not everyone will be happy and the game will never be perfect, thats just impossible.
    If you or anybody doesnt like its Direction, sometimes voting with your wallet is the most effective eye opener.
    You can rave and complain on the forums forever about what you personally dont like, but the Metric Data speaks bigger volumes.
    Never be afraid or discouraged to speak your mind, I may disagree with you Lot on things, but I will Never tell you to be Silent about it.
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