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[TaleraRistain]

- FF4, FF6, FF7, FF9, FF10 (kinda, especially in the new sound novel they made as a sequel to 10-2) FF13... but it's complicated. And FF15. These are all mainline games where at least one of the main playable characters dies permanently at some point.
- Crisis Core and Type-0 feature the death of the entire playable roster. Though Type-0 does have a way to avert it, but it doesn't erase the fact that those deaths still happened.
- Dissidia 012 kills off its prologue characters before the main Dissidia campaign. They're brought back somehow in NT tho.
- FFT makes it ambiguous whether or not the main character and his sister survive. We don't know whether he's actually alive, Delita's dying hallucination or just a gratuitous image to contrast the circumstances of Delita's death, like an allegory.

Death does happen somewhat regularly. It's never the entire cast except for two games: the first one is a single-player adventure, so it doesn't count, and the 2nd one has a secret ending where you can un-make the entire campaign.

Edit: If anyone's curious, the FF10 death is that Tidus is such a bigshot blitzball player and neglects Yuna for a bit, he then goes to the beach, finds a ball, thinks it's a Blitzball and kicks it. It's actually a Bomb and he dies. Yuna mourns him and tries to bring him back, but out of nowhere, Sin comes back. The end. Just... no further context, that's all the narration says xD

Tellah in IV is solid and you missed Galuf in V. VI isn't a given. Shadow doesn't have to die. Aerith in VII is one of the obvious ones, of course. Vivi dies in IX offscreen and after the final battle. X is solid though X-2's canon ending reverses it and then that sound novel reverses that reversal and then reverses it again (yeah that's not confusing). LR reverses the deaths that happened in XIII. XV is solid...kind of. The intended story to my understanding would have been resolved quite differently.

But there are other series. Fei goes to the end of the world to rescue Elly in Xenogears and the entire party comes home triumphantly. The cast of Chrono Trigger travel to the past and the future and beyond to defeat Lavos and comes home triumphantly. Alex saves Luna in the first Lunar game when she's been overtaken as her Althena persona by singing their song to her and everyone comes home triumphantly. Even in the first game in this series, the Warriors of Light travel into the past and defeat Garland as Chaos and...return home triumphantly.

Some games subvert this. Type-0 like you mentioned. Rose at the end of Legend of Dragoon because she's someone out of time, though the very end gives some hope there. That's why I said not unheard of even in this series. But it's just not a trend you see in JRPGs a lot.

[Midareyukki]

Tellah in IV is solid and you missed Galuf in V. VI isn't a given. Shadow doesn't have to die. Aerith in VII is one of the obvious ones, of course. Vivi dies in IX offscreen and after the final battle. X is solid though X-2's canon ending reverses it and then that sound novel reverses that reversal and then reverses it again (yeah that's not confusing). LR reverses the deaths that happened in XIII. XV is solid...kind of. The intended story to my understanding would have been resolved quite differently.

But there are other series. Fei goes to the end of the world to rescue Elly in Xenogears and the entire party comes home triumphantly. The cast of Chrono Trigger travel to the past and the future and beyond to defeat Lavos and comes home triumphantly. Alex saves Luna in the first Lunar game when she's been overtaken as her Althena persona by singing their song to her and everyone comes home triumphantly. Even in the first game in this series, the Warriors of Light travel into the past and defeat Garland as Chaos and...return home triumphantly.

Some games subvert this. Type-0 like you mentioned. Rose at the end of Legend of Dragoon because she's someone out of time, though the very end gives some hope there. That's why I said not unheard of even in this series. But it's just not a trend you see in JRPGs a lot.

Yep, it's not. That's the point I was trying to make: that while death IS a recurring thing, they either subvert it somehow or it ends up being a very minor character\minor moment. It never is the death of the whole cast, and in Type-0, it's made abundantly clear that the cast isn't the same most loops, and that Arecia just throws it all into the bin and lets people live happily and normally.

This is how Final Fantasy is like. This is how most JRPGs tend to be, as they're often modelled after FF or Dragon Quest. I'd say the only exception is the Shin Megami Tensei series, and even then it's not something that always happens.

And death isn't meant to be the ending to the Scions. Nor was Endwalker meant to be the end of them as a group. They've disbanded just to pursue their own interests, they'd likely be back later in the future if called to it. However, this would have been the perfect chance to either expand or make a new group.

It might be too early to tell. But from what we're seeing that won't happen. They're just going to make characters they've already established take on a new role.

...also ._. I forgot Galuf despite him literally being the reason Forbidden Land Eureka exists. F.

[TaleraRistain]

...also ._. I forgot Galuf despite him literally being the reason Forbidden Land Eureka exists. F.

And in a thread about Krile, for shame

Oh and they must have changed the X-2 sequel thing a bit. Last I read about it, she did bring him back but she can't tell him and the secret X ending is supposed to be after that. Or something. It's weird. VIII's story makes more sense compared to what they did there.