VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Caro178]

change my mind then.

I see a lot of this type of comment, but never an elaboration of why.

You didn't ask me but I can definitely elaborate with a few points, the two big ones being:

1) Console players don't have access to third party tools. Plenty of people play this game on PS4/PS5 (myself included) and simply cannot use mods.

2) Mods are illegal. This doesn't bother everyone but I'm quite certain there are players who actively reject using third party tools because they're a breach of TOS.

The other justifications I can think of are more subjective but relevant nonetheless:

3) Other people (without mods) can't see your mods. It really sucks when you actively use character mods and also have to deal with the fact that the game and your character don't actually look the way they look to you to everyone else. It's an mmo and looking at peoples' characters and sharing your own is fun!

4) Constantly resorting to a "guess we have to fix it ourselves" mentality will never make SE implement the changes we want to see. The changes they make are largely based on player feedback and so feedback is what they need in order to focus attention where customers feel it's needed.

5) People just want to play the game and have the features we deserve as part of the game. The whole game that everyone can experience along with us.

[Adamantini]

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yes true. But the point everyone talks about is: if random people can do this as mods, why can't the company do this as a patch?

None of these justifications answer this point, but they justify the differences between a mod and an official patch.

We're not asking for an outfit that modder X made, or hair that person Y made, etc. What we're asking is that the new helmets (at least) fit the races they themselves developed. We ask the same for the hair that SE herself did. And it's a shame they say it's impossible, as there are already mods out there proving it's possible.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Personally I can live with never having full headgear compatibility .

Its never going to happen unless...
1)) They remake ALL of the headgear and put in Double the work for future gear to feature variants to fit Hrothgar Heads and factor Viera Ears
2)) They say ***k It, and let the bad Clipping run rampant.

In some cases #2 could work, but otherwise I dont picture some gear looking good with clipping and no quality control. But gear featured on a few people Signatures like the Redmage Hat would look fine.
And seriously, if i could have my way, id say not to stress about the old gear...but in return, make some unique Race gear to make up for it. Like the Hrothgar should have claws, theres no reason why they dont. But to make up for it they made some racial gloves that give you claws.
Id love it if they could make some new helms and other types of hats and headgear for the Viera & Hrothgar the same way they did that.

[LuciaMirain]

Id settle for making the headpieces (and hairs from mogstation and all nonrace specific hair) and all AF gear function for viera and hrothgar. If they are going to insist on job identity and charging alot for the glamgear, this only seems fair. I think that all long hats that would hide ears should be shown as well and the ears simply disappear. I would be fine with that too. I RARELY use hats anyway but I do love me some veils at times.

[HollowedDoll]

Its never going to happen unless...
1)) They remake ALL of the headgear and put in Double the work for future gear to feature variants to fit Hrothgar Heads and factor Viera Ears

False.

/10char

[Caro178]

Hrothgar are really a whole other thing and I get the feeling that YoshiP/the dev team doesn't even really understand what the game's Hrothgar population wants. There was a strange case of lumping Hrothgar changes with Viera changes when the races have different problems and their players have different requests. Of course they answered these expectations in the laziest way possible. It was so bad they had to go back and fix it, lmao. I wish there was a way to vote or consolidate what hairstyles Hrothgar players want the devs to enable so they aren't wasting time on 5 new Karen hairstyles for 6.3. I'm pretty confident Hroths never wanted every catboy/middy base game hair option just with ears clipping through. I've seen a lot of interest in the Bozja mullet which makes sense and would actually suit the race. Simply making every hairstyle work for every face would be a huge and realistic step in the right direction.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

False.

/10char

Are you saying they WILL make all full headgear compatible, without needing to remake any of the old gear to factor Hrothgar Heads and Viera Ears?
Because you are aware that many helmets were made and designed for human faces. They arnt gonna fit or look good on Hrothgar without some edits.
Also if they wanna make 100% sure every race, including Hrothgar can wear ALL future headgear, they need to design it so it would fit them as well.

[Yencat]

Hrothgar are really a whole other thing and I get the feeling that YoshiP/the dev team doesn't even really understand what the game's Hrothgar population wants. There was a strange case of lumping Hrothgar changes with Viera changes when the races have different problems and their players have different requests. Of course they answered these expectations in the laziest way possible. It was so bad they had to go back and fix it, lmao. I wish there was a way to vote or consolidate what hairstyles Hrothgar players want the devs to enable so they aren't wasting time on 5 new Karen hairstyles for 6.3. I'm pretty confident Hroths never wanted every catboy/middy base game hair option just with ears clipping through. I've seen a lot of interest in the Bozja mullet which makes sense and would actually suit the race. Simply making every hairstyle work for every face would be a huge and realistic step in the right direction.

Unless I'm misremembering I believe after the whole no-ear thing blew up and everyone was mocking how bad it looked they did address it afterwards and didn't they ask what Hrothgar players want and said they would collect feedback on it? (which they probably should've done, like, 3 years ago but that's neither here nor there at this point.)

So they are kind of doing that, just way too late.

Looking closer at the image in the patch notes it also looks as though they may have warped the texture to create a parting where the ears come through? But I could be wrong as it's difficult to see. Nothing worth busting out the confetti for even if it's true but then at least they did do some work on it and didn't just flip the ear toggle back on.

[HollowedDoll]

Are you saying they WILL make all full headgear compatible, without needing to remake any of the old gear to factor Hrothgar Heads and Viera Ears?
Because you are aware that many helmets were made and designed for human faces. They arnt gonna fit or look good on Hrothgar without some edits.
Also if they wanna make 100% sure every race, including Hrothgar can wear ALL future headgear, they need to design it so it would fit them as well.

No I'm saying you're spreading misinfo by saying all will need remaking.

Ears are not a factor, SE has acknowledged that when they released them clipping through the shadowless helmet.

Hrothgar may need some work, but there is literally nothing stopping them from enabling full face helmets, adding the missing hair deforms and enabling what WORKS.

A literal mcdonalds burger flipper could do this.

[Caro178]

If case anyone is curious this seems to be the male equivalent of the braided pigtails style.



I actually really like this one. It has a studious and put-together vibe which is something currently lacking on male Viera. Here's hoping it looks good. The 5head level from this style is not bad on other races so it should be OK on Viera too.