VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[PolkaPolka]

I'd just like to see some more masculine hairstyles for male viera, and ones that don't have a hairline that's either too high or low (this doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with other races).

[Allegor]

Semirelated on racial hairstyles: male Hrothgar should have their racial hair unlocked from their faces, yet instead of fixing it they doubled down and gave female Hrothgar the same issue. What the actual kupo is going on in there.

[kyyninen_kirahvi]

Semirelated on racial hairstyles: male Hrothgar should have their racial hair unlocked from their faces, yet instead of fixing it they doubled down and gave female Hrothgar the same issue. What the actual kupo is going on in there.

They seem insistent on making the exact same mistakes over and over again.

[Iscah]

Semirelated on racial hairstyles: male Hrothgar should have their racial hair unlocked from their faces, yet instead of fixing it they doubled down and gave female Hrothgar the same issue. What the actual kupo is going on in there.

That, again, is my point from earlier.

If they had a choice whether to "double down" or to make all hairstyles compatible with all the faces, why pick the former?

The fact that they never unlocked those specific hairstyles on the males and now have the same number of face-locked styles on females, while being open to giving them every other hairstyle universally, suggests to me that something is weird with how the characters were designed.

And I doubt it's about "giving everyone equal amounts of options" because in that case some of the other races are owed some additional race-specific styles.

[TKMXIV]

The fact that they never unlocked those specific hairstyles on the males and now have the same number of face-locked styles on females, while being open to giving them every other hairstyle universally, suggests to me that something is weird with how the characters were designed.

I'm still wondering what the reason is myself. Not long after the benchmark dropped, I wondered if anyone had made a mod to fix that problem. Because I was curious if they had to change the shape of the hair or the ears or something.
However, the images they showed off I couldn't see any changes to the hairstyle itself. It was the same size, same shape but on deferent faces. The hrothgars had the Wayfarer's Necklace so the models are probably the same as the ones currently in the game.

Also, a bit of a side tangent. I found out today Hrothgar don't get the same cutscene as Miqo'te in the monster hunter crossover. When Miqo'te say to the Palico "A talking cat!?" The Palico tells them "Have you looked in a mirror!"
But Hrothgar just get the same generic version as everyone else. The one about "have you seen the turtles and fish around here?" Despite Hrothgar being even more feline than Miqo'te!
All this time I just assumed Hrothgar and Miqo'te had the same version cause cat people, but nope. I shouldn't have assumed they would have even got that kind of attention to detail.

I wonder if it's safe to at least assume that female Hrothgar will skip the part where they remove the ears? (I know they at least won't repeat that mistake. Just making a joke to vent.)

Now back on topic. I don't use mods and I normally wouldn't bring them up, but that Hair mod I brought up shouldn't have been made. Male Hrothgar should have long been fixed by now. Heck when they got updated in EW when the redundant faces got removed and players could select between some of their racial hairstyles. That was the moment all of them should have been made available no matter what face option was picked. But instead, they only unlocked some of them.
At least progress is being made. It's slow but it is progress. Maybe it won't take as long as FF11 has been in service to completely catch Hrothgar and Viera up with the other races in hairstyles and hats.
(That game came out about 22 years ago and servers are still going. Way to go Vana'dial!)

Well, that turned into a rant. So, to end on a positive note... I've got nothing. Umm. Oh! Thanks to seeing some tweets I know the Scorpion Harness will look good on my Hrothgar come Dawntrail.

[Iscah]

Also, a bit of a side tangent. I found out today Hrothgar don't get the same cutscene as Miqo'te in the monster hunter crossover. When Miqo'te say to the Palico "A talking cat!?" The Palico tells them "Have you looked in a mirror!"
But Hrothgar just get the same generic version as everyone else. The one about "have you seen the turtles and fish around here?" Despite Hrothgar being even more feline than Miqo'te!

I assume the programming is something along the lines of "if character is Miqo'te, say X; else say Y" and that just wasn't reviewed when Hrothgar was added to the group covered by "else".

If you brought it up in the Localisation forum, they might fix it.

There's also a sidequest somewhere where you get a "lion medal" and the image on it is described along the lines of "a legendary beast somewhat resembling a Miqo'te" – since then, they've added lions as real creatures and a better race to compare them to, and yet it persists because nobody is going to re-check every statement that was written in every obscure ARR key item description.

[DrForester]

Semirelated on racial hairstyles: male Hrothgar should have their racial hair unlocked from their faces, yet instead of fixing it they doubled down and gave female Hrothgar the same issue. What the actual kupo is going on in there.

This is one reason why I have absolutely zero faith that they will ever work on hats for Viera and Hrothgar.

They had a problem with the face/hair lock when they introduced Hrothgar 5 years ago, and not one minute of Dev time was spent fixing that problem, so they just do it again with Hrothgals.

Same thing with hats. YoshiP can say "please be patient" till he's blue in the face, but are we really to believe that they're really going to work on hats when they haven't worked on any hats the last 5 years?

They really should just pay the person who has gotten it to work, and implement that into the game proper.

[Allegor]

Huh, I recall people pointing the MH one a while ago and to my understanding it was already edited to include Hroths for the 'talking cat' dialogue option. I'll do the quest after maintenance to confirm.

[TKMXIV]

Huh, I recall people pointing the MH one a while ago and to my understanding it was already edited to include Hroths for the 'talking cat' dialogue option. I'll do the quest after maintenance to confirm.

Oh? If that is the case, I wonder what caused the person I came across on twitter to get the Turtle and Fish response? The posts are from May 4th and the screenshots date on the bottom right was 2010-2024 Square Enix Co.

[Rudje]

Literally every Viera-related dialogue in the Ivalice ar doesn't acknowledge if you play a Viera at all, much less a male one, and going further back to Au Ra, Yugiri doesn't acknowledge that you've been running around as an Au Ra during 2.x MSQ when she expresses reluctance to unmask either (though that may be related to the lines being voiced, I don't have perfect memory of which cutscenes are voiced in ARR). I generally just don't expect old lines to be updated based on new additions due to this.