Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
I mean... I already mentioned a dozen times I'm not defending the devs nor "am okay with just this". It's not my jam and that was never what I meant. You're the one insisting on it. I get not being comfortable with the language, but I don't know how to say "No, that's not what I'm saying" any different. You are the one insinuating it all the time. But sure, whatever. I'll leave it too.



This is what I've been saying for a while now:

- It's clear that, for whatever reason, these two races aren't going to see themselves be on the same standard as the others for a long while.
- Viera have issues. These issues persist on male Vieras, and ironically, male Viera have complaints of their own
- Hrothgars having issues was fine to be joined with Vieras at the time, because the issues were rather similar. But the quality level and content made for Hrothgar made it clear the devs have different priorities and interests, so the two races aren't on equal footing... you know, on top of already not being on equal footing to everyone else.
- Hrothgars presenting feedback should have started earlier imo, bc then they would have known what to expect. According to YoshiP, they were surprised at the backlash they got on April 1st... but if you're a Hrothgar player, the treatment you've gotten over 3 years really wouldn't surprise anyone.
- This is my theory, but Viera feedback being mistaken for Hrothgar feedback also led to some issues. Because you just can't design Hrothgars the way you would a Viera, it's not the same. We are aware our race is way more complex than a humanoid character.

So we need to present our feedback clearly (Viera need to make it clear what they want, and Hrothgar need to be clearer on what they want).
And we need to be realistic.

Asking for Male Viera was perfectly valid, and male Viera players are happy being male Vieras. Issue is, they have all the problems their female counterparts have, plus some of their own. And that shouldn't happen from a design standpoint as well as from a customer's viewpoint.

Meaning that asking for Female Hrothgar, while also perfectly valid, needs to be done smartly. Given all the issues with Hrothgars and the way the devs design stuff for them, whatever femgars we have might be disastrous. So it's best to make sure the race as a whole is taken seriously so future players don't suffer.

A lot of people are excited for Female Hrothgars and they have the right to do so. I'm just worried because Square should learn from past mistakes and make sure the race works well before announcing their decisions like that. And we know we're in for a while with no real updates, because the ARR races will have a texture lift while we're still stuck with lower quality and missing basic features.
For femgar at least I think every hrothgar-enjoyer would be on board with them using Karmaho's art as a jumping off point.