Rescue is Griefing

[GoatOfWar]

When revealed in 2017 everybody said it'd be used for griefing.

It was griefing in Stormblood. It was griefing in Shadowbringers. And it's still just griefing in Endwalker.

Even in rare cases where Rescue has a real use, like rescuing dive3 into the stack in UCOB, it still ends up griefing because half the time the healer Rescues early, pulling the divebomb into the group. And for what? For nothing. Not only can you now skip divebombs entirely, you don't need 8 people for that stack.

The ability shouldn't exist if its only use is extremely niche in high-end content that the majority of players won't ever touch.

If you think you need Rescue because another player keeps standing in AoEs constantly, realize that same player could be casting Rescue on you. There is no skill check when you cast Rescue. Healers are not automatically better than other players just because their role icon is green.

I'm sick of healers tossing me off ledges, pulling me into AoEs, and ruining my uptime in casual content for no reason. Rescue is negatively impacting my gameplay. I have never had a positive experience with Rescue.

Rescue is like the most interesting ability in the healer's toolkit.
It's situational, but has a lot of uses. You could use it for melee uptime, for damage prevention, to reposition a tank in a dungeon mid trashpulls (great to reposition beginner tanks in iffy dungeons like aurum vale) and much more. I've rescued strangers on to boss mechanics to avoid wipes (Omega extreme immediately comes to mind) I do think they should give it a more obvious animation so it will become more obvious when healers are trolling. Trolling with rescue IS a reportable offense. But a lot of people won't notice you're being trolled because it's hard to see.

[Liam_Harper]

Just have to say some of the posts in this thread on the anti-rescue side have been hilarious. The drama and mental gymnastics people go through to try and paint something that barely matters as a game-breaking evil is impressive. I would join the arguments, but this thread comes up every month, logic is always ignored here and life's too short. But it's good entertainment nonetheless.

[Bobby66]

SE officially supports pulling people that run off prematurely.

https://youtu.be/hCMxiSH1Otw?t=101 This is from their official starter guide.

[BaconBits]

[Gemina]

Just have to say some of the posts in this thread on the anti-rescue side have been hilarious. The drama and mental gymnastics people go through to try and paint something that barely matters as a game-breaking evil is impressive. I would join the arguments, but this thread comes up every month, logic is always ignored here and life's too short. But it's good entertainment nonetheless.

Couldn't agree more. When I find my arguments focus on not even defending Rescue's existence and viability, but more along the lines of "No snowflake. The battle you're in does not revolve around you." it just becomes pointless to continue. Still, I can't help mentioning the truth bomb that Rescue is fine, working as intended, and it isn't going anywhere or being changed anytime soon.

[Padudu]

Just have to say some of the posts in this thread on the anti-rescue side have been hilarious. The drama and mental gymnastics people go through to try and paint something that barely matters as a game-breaking evil is impressive. I would join the arguments, but this thread comes up every month, logic is always ignored here and life's too short. But it's good entertainment nonetheless.

It's more about the attitude of some rescue-enjoyers more than anything tbh lol. Who said it's game-breaking? People even straight up say, it's not like it's an everyday occurrence nor does it really matter that much since it happens infrequently, but those who have this attitude of "it doesn't matter, you missed one gcd, who cares about your uptime, lol lmao" also grate on people's nerves because well, the DPS who gets a little irritated at rescues will naturally care about their uptime and getting their rotation right, even if its normal content lol. Having someone pull you when you're perfectly fine can be annoying; especially if the attitude is "no, you stand here because I said so. It's not your god given right to stand on that spot." Yeah I wonder why people would get annoyed at rescue when that's the attitude that can come along with it?

Everyone is fine when you rescue with good intentions or it was a mistake. Shit happens, naturally I would figure most people would be like, "Bro its fine, I got this." and go on their merry DPS way. Everyone is not fine when you use rescue to micromanage what the DPS are doing because you happen to not like where they're standing and then act like you know better on top of that.

Like you say, it barely matters, so why act like you rescuing a DPS who can take a hit from a mechanic is gonna save the run or something lol?

[ZedxKayn]

Just have to say some of the posts in this thread on the anti-rescue side have been hilarious.

Couldn't agree more.

The skill level it takes to greed in comparison to what the healer is doing when they evaluate a rescue isn't even close. Don't even go there. Not only are they paying attention to what they are doing, they are also paying attention what the other seven players are doing. Your position on the battlefield isn't some god-given right. Stop pretending it is.

Wrong side bestie

[Midareyukki]

Honestly, the people who compare Rescuing people to Raise just remind me of this:

[HyoMinPark]

Who said it's game-breaking?

To be fair, there was a person in this thread arguing against Rescue because it was essentially “god modeing”/playing god with someone’s character. As of healing itself isn’t basically playing god.

I don’t think Rescue is that big of a deal. It has its uses. A good healer knows when and where to apply them (such as when something might actually get a teammate killed—not the random circle AOE in a 24-man that doesn’t even do half their health); but they do sometimes make mistakes or mistime it, and that’s also fine. It’s not “abuse” like people enjoy saying.

[VerdeLuck]

To be fair, there was a person in this thread arguing against Rescue because it was essentially “god modeing”/playing god with someone’s character. As of healing itself isn’t basically playing god.

I don’t think Rescue is that big of a deal. It has its uses. A good healer knows when and where to apply them (such as when something might actually get a teammate killed—not the random circle AOE in a 24-man that doesn’t even do half their health); but they do sometimes make mistakes or mistime it, and that’s also fine. It’s not “abuse” like people enjoy saying.

You think it doesn't get used for griefing much because you play healer, it's pretty much every run of Dhon Mheg or every 4-5 runs of crystal tower where I'm not healer is where I see it. GMs also rarely act on reports other than telling you to just blacklist them so that does a whole lot of nothing.