Rescue is Griefing

[AmiableApkallu]

3) It also completely removes individual responsibility and promotes godmodding. For those that don't know, godmodding is a rp term for when one player conducts actions that control another player directly. It's shamed and people used to blank people if they pulled it even a tiny bit. This is a MMORPG and Rescue falls in the same vein. You are moving another player. Regardless of how frustrating another player might be, it breaks a certain boundary that shouldn't be broken. People will argue that long cooldown makes it okay or that healing is also controlling another player(when it clearly isn't).

I don't find this to be a compelling argument.

Rescue is an ability limited to combat, and combat in this game has myriad ways of controlling your character directly. Titan throws you in a gaol. Shiva freezes you. Ramuh strikes fear/hysteria into so you mindlessly march toward him and your doom. Ravana tosses you in the air to flail about. Forced knockbacks and stuns. That debuff with the spinning arrow over your head that makes it... "interesting" to control where you walk. Etc. Etc.

An adventurer using Rescue on you at least has the potential for being helpful.

[Semirhage]

It also completely removes individual responsibility and promotes godmodding. For those that don't know, godmodding is a rp term for when one player conducts actions that control another player directly. It's shamed and people used to blank people if they pulled it even a tiny bit. This is a MMORPG and Rescue falls in the same vein. You are moving another player. Regardless of how frustrating another player might be, it breaks a certain boundary that shouldn't be broken. People will argue that long cooldown makes it okay or that healing is also controlling another player(when it clearly isn't).

I made a troll thread because calling this hysterical lunacy "logic" is awesome. Playing God and controlling my character indeed. The things people in this community will clutch their pearls over.

You don't have logical discussions with people pitching hissy fits. You tell them to get over it.

[ZedxKayn]

I made a troll thread because calling this hysterical lunacy "logic" is awesome. Playing God and controlling my character indeed. The things people in this community will clutch their pearls over.

You don't have logical discussions with people pitching hissy fits. You tell them to get over it.

I bet you don't have that type of reaction when it's someone complaining about the state of healers. To some, the complaints about the state of healing is absolute lunacy, too.

Rescue is disliked because it is intrusive and people will complain about it, like it or not, that's called feedback, and having our flow messed with in an intrusive way like that is a very valid thing to complain about to us even if it's "lunacy" or "pearl clutching" to you. It's just bad game design that makes for a very unpleasant experience even if of course from the healer's perspective, it's just whatever.

[Gemina]

Rescue is disliked because it is intrusive and people will complain about it, like it or not, that's called feedback, and having our flow messed with in an intrusive way like that is a very valid thing to complain about to us even if it's "lunacy" or "pearl clutching" to you. It's just bad game design that makes for a very unpleasant experience even if of course from the healer's perspective, it's just whatever.

The issue your argument has is your not stating why it is bad game design. I know you think that being yanked from your position is bad game design, but feelings and anecdotal evidence doesn't actually equate to bad design. You would actually need to provide solid evidence that the skill is causing fundamental issues in PvE content. And based on your arguments, you would actually have to prove that clears are harder to obtain because healers are severely reducing group DPS through the abusive use of Rescue. Good luck with that.

The other issue is the complete and utter inability to even listen to those in favor of Rescue, and their reasoning behind it. They have actually stated valid reasons not based on feelings or anecdotal evidence to give strength to their arguments. Whether you want to believe it or not, Rescue has saved a lot of players from eating dirt. It has been used in prog strats. It does require skill to use it effectively. These are all facts. I know it sucks to get punched in the face with the truth, but it is what it is.

Getting butt hurt when a healer yanks you just isn't enough to justify removing the skill. If you can provide actual feed of how Rescue negatively impacts the game, I am all ears.

[NekoMataMata]

I made a troll thread because calling this hysterical lunacy "logic" is awesome. Playing God and controlling my character indeed. The things people in this community will clutch their pearls over.

You don't have logical discussions with people pitching hissy fits. You tell them to get over it.

I don't see the hissy fit. I see a discussion with valid arguments being put forth. You jumped on a single point out of five, am I supposed to be congratulating you?

We all know how you are though. Rules for us, not for you. You continue to act like an absolute child while trying to present yourself as the face of logic and reason. You know, I think you're right. I do see a hissy fit. It's you again, isn't it? Why don't you just get over it?

[Midareyukki]

I made a troll thread because calling this hysterical lunacy "logic" is awesome. Playing God and controlling my character indeed. The things people in this community will clutch their pearls over.

You don't have logical discussions with people pitching hissy fits. You tell them to get over it.

...define "god mode" for the class, sweetie.

There's a clear range you could have tread before getting to "everyone is insane", from "maybe the way they define god moding isn't the way I would" or "I disagree with the way they're referring to this and don't the situation is that bad\they're exaggerating" as well as "I'm going to put forward why I don't think these points are all that valid and why it is that I feel it's an exaggeration, wholly understanding that this is based on my point of view, my experiences and thus it's my personal opinion". Simply accepting that your understanding of it may be narrower than most people's would have sufficed.

Yet you dearie chose to dive right off the cliff and go straight for the worst and most insulting one. Bravo.

Instead of being polite in how you view the thread, even if you think it's kooky and the people entertaining these thoughts should just touch grass, no you resort to being insulting and shaming. You deride the ability to be logical, much less be courteous.

Are you sure you're not looking at a mirror? Not a single person here has been saying stuff that's too out of the box, and even when disagreed with, people have put forward why they disagree and others chose to accept\not accept as civil as could be asked for.
YOU on the other hand just came in to dump all over the thread, call people stupid and unable to formulate a logical thought and then say that if we disagree with you, we're idiots. You know... like a person throwing a hissy fit would.

If you don't agree, accept it and move on, simple as that. Feel free to say you disagree, by all means, but don't be a jerk about it like you just were if we say "Okay, we see you disagree, but unfortunately people have shown their piece against yours, and your arguments were unconvincing". It doesn't mean people are base apes that can't think and that you're the only one Stable Genius. Because let me tell you: you're not. It just makes you look like a narcissist.

[Enjuden]

I'm sure a button with a 3 minute cooldown is definitely 'god modding', especially since this 'god mod' can be cancelled by Surecast/Arm's Length/Any dash.

Just because a random person you will never see again used it on you or someone else doesn't mean the intent was malicious. Maybe they're trying to use it and mistimed the rescue dash since it is delayed like everything else in XIV. Maybe they actually were malicious. It's hard to tell at a glance, but in the end, does something that happens once in a blue moon even matter, when it helps people who do end game content?

[Bobby66]

SE officially supports pulling people that run off prematurely.

https://youtu.be/hCMxiSH1Otw?t=101 This is from their official starter guide.

[BaconBits]

[pyxls]

Eh, the ones you want to complain about are the people using it to grief. The skill itself is fine.

Only time I'd ever seen it used bad was by a bored, unfunny healer griefing Aglaia's last fight's balance mechanic twice. Nice waste of time. /s