Extreme Roulette would be good for game

[Kaurhz]

So TL;DR:
- if I don't have the patience or can handle frustration I don't queue it
- if I don't have the time allocated for it I don't queue it
- if I don't like the content it gives me I don't queue it
- if I dont think the rewards are enough for me I don't queue it

Damn that's basically MSQ roulette for me, I simply don't queue it!

On a real note, in a similar vein how people do or don't do MSQ roulette, Alliance Raid Roulette or Mentor Roulette, they can choose to either do or don't for an eventual EX roulette.

Also, the addition of this roulette purely on an implementation standpoint regarding the effort it takes to implement is copypasting code or replicating assets in an engine using Mentor Roulette as a template.

The existence of it would not take away from your enjoyment of the game, only add to others'.

The problem is most people who hit those TL;DR categories would be far worse than what you experience on any other form of content. You can argue that it will add to the enjoyment as much as you like but if not enough people queue for it then it would be dead on arrival. These things are all underlying issues as to why it wouldn't really be commonplace to clear the duty within the same lockout so realistically it's just an exercise in wasting time.

To put it into perspective. What do you do when you get a duty wherein you don't fully understand the mechanics and cannot, therefore, clear the fight without first going through what would essentially be a learning party? Second of all, what do you then do when other members of the group are in a similar position or simply lack the DPS output? Going to bash your head against a wall for 60 minutes?

A vast majority of people do a roulette with the reward being a core focal point of it, what is going to be the reward for potentially wasting an entire lockout? Just to really TL;DR even those willing to do the content may more frequently be in a position where they spend the entire 60-minute lockout making really no progress whatsoever to a reward. Traditional roulettes are a different matter entirely. If you don't like it then don't queue for it, that is a commonality between the two, but even those that want to queue for it will still have the additional caveat of spending significant time making no real progress toward a goal.

Regardless of your own personal feelings of enjoyment, a majority of people are goal driven. So I just posit the question to you; what's the reward that I gain for doing the roulette in the first place? What's going to be the reward that prevents the roulette from being dead on arrival?

Again, amazing on paper but poor on execution especially when you cannot guarantee the competence or ability of other people in the group.

Exactly, for them to implement would not be hard and would be something new for people who are interested to do and strive for. It is like eureka many people do not like it but guess what there are those who do and want glams, mounts and titles so they do it regardless how much of a grindfest it is.

See the difference between Eureka, Bozja and even mount farming is that you can almost guarantee you will make progress within the given time frame. If you spend an entire lockout (aka 60 minutes of your time) just chain pulling an extreme primal, then you make absolutely no progress to whatever to any goal. Bar the prospect of fun, something which you equally gain by joining KFF parties, kill parties, or learning/practice parties.

[Mikey_R]

Idunno man, the mount in Mentor Roulette for 2000 duties seemed enticing enough to get enough mentors to do it. Just slap a different good mount behind it.

There is also people like me who queue it for giggles and FUN. Rewards help, but aren't the only reason why people do it.

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

Sounds like the penalty should be as high as the duty timer then if they quit of their own volition.

[Jojoya]

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

Why a separate EX roulette is not a bad thing. If you queue for it, you know there's the possibility it's going to take time. And like MSQ roulette, the reward can be scaled up from normal to account for that.

For those fearing people using an EX roulette who aren't prepared for it, there are two things to keep in mind: the roulette would also attract more players who are capable and knowledgeable leading to a better run, and there is still the vote kick feature for someone truly holding the party back.

There are a few things I would do with an EX roulette to help minimize potential problems.

First, limit it to max level jobs. We could use another roulette specific to max level players outside of Expert and the level 90 roulette that will no doubt be added in 6.2.

Second, require previous completion of all previous EX trials EXCEPT the trial most recently added (for instance, as of right now a player would need to have completed every trial but Endsinger). By the same token, the most recent trial would not be included in the roulette to encourage PF groups for completion. Or the roulette could exclude all current expansion EX trials if SE is worried about players getting help clearing them through PF.

Finally, make the item level requirement to queue equal to the minimum ilvl of the most recent trial included in the roulette. That way there can be no ilvl cheesing trying to fish for whatever the community decides is the easiest trial to complete.

Being a roulette intended to help fill queues for players doing a piece of content for the first time, there's always going to be the chance you end up with someone in the group who doesn't know what they're doing but the number of inexperienced players in a party should be smaller. If the group does end up with someone having issues, they can be encouraged to go back to Party Finder to join learning groups.

[Raoabolic]

Europeans would like to disassociate with this claim, thanks.

I would like to dissociate questionable writing and low effort from XIV. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, lol.

[Majestic001]

Idunno man, the mount in Mentor Roulette for 2000 duties seemed enticing enough to get enough mentors to do it. Just slap a different good mount behind it.

There is also people like me who queue it for giggles and FUN. Rewards help, but aren't the only reason why people do it.

Just like mentor roul is cheesed, this one would be cheesed as well. There's literally no point in wasting up to an hour on an extreme-prog and not even get 1 point towards the Astrope, when you can get a guildhest and get that point in 30s. This roulette would have the same end: get something with a low chance of success > instant bail/bail after 1 try. People would only do ez shit.

[Mikey_R]

Sounds like the penalty should be as high as the duty timer then if they quit of their own volition.

Then they will just do whatever they were doing for an hour+ instead to pass the time. At least this way they will be achieving something and not going into a wipefest where noone wants to listen and so the hour is wasted.

For those fearing people using an EX roulette who aren't prepared for it, there are two things to keep in mind: the roulette would also attract more players who are capable and knowledgeable leading to a better run, and there is still the vote kick feature for someone truly holding the party back.

If a fight only takes 1 person messing up to wipe, and that scenario happens more often than not, then the more knowledgeable players will just stop queuing. If someone happens to not be listening to your advice and again, this happens more often than not, they will stop queuing. This isn't going to be as bas as most of the world, but for someone in the EU, where there is a massive array of languages, it can be hard to communicate. Even if you were to check what language settings they have, they might have French ticked, but speak Spanish, Italian, Flemish or a variety of other languages.

However, on the flipside, you could get players who think, I can just queue up and have other carry me through the fight like with everything else, which then adds onto the above points. There are so many more variables as to who is going to queue than just 'it will attract more knowledgeable players' that reducing it down to just that is ignoring the forest for the trees.

Now, don't get me wrong, if the majority of the playerbase was good enough to get through an EX trial, sure, add it, however the majority are not, and frustrating 7 other players with someone's unwillingness to learn, or someone who just is not good enough in general to even attempt an EX trial is not a good way to keep players interested.

If you really want to help players with EX trials, you would have more success making a PF for specific trials, at least that way you have a higher chance that people will listen and do actually want to learn. You can then spend longer than 1 lockout doing it, and eventually clearing the fight, rather than starting over again from scratch, with a brand new party, from the roulette.

[NanaWiloh]

https://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4

This idea is like taking a random passenger on a commercial airline. Putting them in the pilot seat and telling them to land the plane. Lol

[AmpelioB]

Ahahaha

... you actually think that will motivate anyone? Materia are given out like candy nowadays. I could get more in twenty minutes from a hunt train alongside more than double the latest tomes (120 to be specific). All without putting in the slightest bit of effort since hunt trains are mindless.

yes, you are on a basis that everyone has time to be around a hunt trains when they happen, most people don't have that luxury.

[AmpelioB]

There are a few things I would do with an EX roulette to help minimize potential problems.

First, limit it to max level jobs. We could use another roulette specific to max level players outside of Expert and the level 90 roulette that will no doubt be added in 6.2.

i'm only against this point because you're taking the opportunity to also rewards newbies that already got the hang of a few extremes