Extreme Roulette would be good for game

[Drakengarde]

Lol, that reward is worthless for any Extreme duty. I get that stuff by spending 20s on killing an A rank, why would I waste my time with randoms for such pitiful rewards?

there are people who enjoy collecting titles/mounts sure it would not be for everyone. Like myself I am working on killing 10k fates for a title, getting the hand of creation title from firmament. My friend is working on the big fish title and has spent over a year trying to get it. It would not appeal to everyone to be sure but only to the people who want something rare and are collectors.

[Majestic001]

The JP servers are pure kino when it comes to this. Feels real good being able to queue for an EX on a JP server and have a less than 5 minute wait AND everyone making sure everyone knows the basics of the fight.

That's incorrect, the only reason JP does Ex/Savage via DF is because it is expected of anyone queueing into that content to know the fight AND how to play their job properly at 100%. JP still does practice and training in PF, and once they can clear it consistenly, they use DF for farming. They also silently disband after 3 wipes.

[Majestic001]

there are people who enjoy collecting titles/mounts sure it would not be for everyone. Like myself I am working on killing 10k fates for a title, getting the hand of creation title from firmament. My friend is working on the big fish title and has spent over a year trying to get it. It would not appeal to everyone to be sure but only to the people who want something rare and are collectors.

The thing is, for an extreme roul, the reward would need to be something that's just gonna blow everyone's mind, otherwise almost no one will do it. On top of that, since it's an ex roul (so anyone can access it as long as you got few exes unlocked), you can just queue with a premade of 8 ppl. Doesn't solve the 'problem' and it's not even comparable to single player grinds like fates or 500k IR.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The thing is, for an extreme roul, the reward would need to be something that's just gonna blow everyone's mind, otherwise almost no one will do it. On top of that, since it's an ex roul (so anyone can access it as long as you got few exes unlocked), you can just queue with a premade of 8 ppl. Doesn't solve the 'problem' and it's not even comparable to single player grinds like fates or 500k IR.

Counter-point, mentor roulette is a 1man only roulette and tied to an achievement series while forcing an item level and a list of duties completed. A similar template could be used for EX roul for non-mentors, which would serve well for a roulette's purpose, namely to fill in for duties that people queue for.

[Majestic001]

Counter-point, mentor roulette is a 1man only roulette and tied to an achievement series while forcing an item level and a list of duties completed. A similar template could be used for EX roul for non-mentors, which would serve well for a roulette's purpose, namely to fill in for duties that people queue for.

That would require rewards that topple all other roulettes combined as well as an achievement reward that topples all other long grinds. Otherwise the 'carrot on a stick' won't be enough for almost anyone to use it.

[Kaurhz]

An extreme roulette is one of those... Great on paper but won't actually work well in execution. In theory, it would be nice, but the reality is that people lack the patience and much more lack the skill to do an extreme primal (Well actually can, but the issue is when you put this into a roulette where the mechanics will be diverse. You can know some extremes from the back of your hand and then others may require considerably more time to execute again), within the given time frame. You have a grand 60 minutes to complete the duty when really most people would require that and then more. It'd be an exercise in wasting time with the infrequent "Hurray, we did it!"

All it takes is some bad rolls with an extreme primal to be in an encounter you know nothing about. Current roulettes work simply because you can clear the encounter way within the timeframe. 99.9% of the time you know that a trial roulette will take 7-20 minutes, equally, you know that a dungeon will typically take 12-22 minutes. In an extreme primal roulette, more often than not you would be in a position where it's an exercise in wasting time because you'll more than likely be spending the entire lockout on it.

This doesn't even take into account what rewards would you lock behind it to even make it worth the time?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

That would require rewards that topple all other roulettes combined as well as an achievement reward that topples all other long grinds. Otherwise the 'carrot on a stick' won't be enough for almost anyone to use it.

Idunno man, the mount in Mentor Roulette for 2000 duties seemed enticing enough to get enough mentors to do it. Just slap a different good mount behind it.

There is also people like me who queue it for giggles and FUN. Rewards help, but aren't the only reason why people do it.

[Drakengarde]

Idunno man, the mount in Mentor Roulette for 2000 duties seemed enticing enough to get enough mentors to do it. Just slap a different good mount behind it.

There is also people like me who queue it for giggles and FUN. Rewards help, but aren't the only reason why people do it.

maybe even add something akin to a legacy tattoo

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

An extreme roulette is one of those... Great on paper but won't actually work well in execution. In theory, it would be nice, but the reality is that people lack the patience and much more lack the skill to do an extreme primal (Well actually can, but the issue is when you put this into a roulette where the mechanics will be diverse. You can know some extremes from the back of your hand and then others may require considerably more time to execute again), within the given time frame. You have a grand 60 minutes to complete the duty when really most people would require that and then more. It'd be an exercise in wasting time with the infrequent "Hurray, we did it!"

All it takes is some bad rolls with an extreme primal to be in an encounter you know nothing about. Current roulettes work simply because you can clear the encounter way within the timeframe. 99.9% of the time you know that a trial roulette will take 7-20 minutes, equally, you know that a dungeon will typically take 12-22 minutes. In an extreme primal roulette, more often than not you would be in a position where it's an exercise in wasting time because you'll more than likely be spending the entire lockout on it.

This doesn't even take into account what rewards would you lock behind it to even make it worth the time?

So TL;DR:
- if I don't have the patience or can handle frustration I don't queue it
- if I don't have the time allocated for it I don't queue it
- if I don't like the content it gives me I don't queue it
- if I dont think the rewards are enough for me I don't queue it

Damn that's basically MSQ roulette for me, I simply don't queue it!

On a real note, in a similar vein how people do or don't do MSQ roulette, Alliance Raid Roulette or Mentor Roulette, they can choose to either do or don't for an eventual EX roulette.

Also, the addition of this roulette purely on an implementation standpoint regarding the effort it takes to implement is copypasting code or replicating assets in an engine using Mentor Roulette as a template.

The existence of it would not take away from your enjoyment of the game, only add to others'.

[Drakengarde]

So TL;DR:
- if I don't have the patience or can handle frustration I don't queue it
- if I don't have the time allocated for it I don't queue it
- if I don't like the content it gives me I don't queue it
- if I dont think the rewards are enough for me I don't queue it

Damn that's basically MSQ roulette for me, I simply don't queue it!

On a real note, in a similar vein how people do or don't do MSQ roulette, Alliance Raid Roulette or Mentor Roulette, they can choose to either do or don't for an eventual EX roulette.

Also, the addition of this roulette purely on an implementation standpoint regarding the effort it takes to implement is copypasting code or replicating assets in an engine using Mentor Roulette as a template.

The existence of it would not take away from your enjoyment of the game, only add to others'.

Exactly, for them to implement would not be hard and would be something new for people who are interested to do and strive for. It is like eureka many people do not like it but guess what there are those who do and want glams, mounts and titles so they do it regardless how much of a grindfest it is.