Extreme Roulette would be good for game

[Mikey_R]

Idunno man, the mount in Mentor Roulette for 2000 duties seemed enticing enough to get enough mentors to do it. Just slap a different good mount behind it.

There is also people like me who queue it for giggles and FUN. Rewards help, but aren't the only reason why people do it.

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

Sounds like the penalty should be as high as the duty timer then if they quit of their own volition.

[Jojoya]

The mentor roulette also has Guildhests, Dungeons, Trials, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids, with alot of mentors just quitting as soon as an extreme turns up as they know it would just be quicker to take the 30 mins penalty, requeue, get something else and still be done in that 60 minute window.

Why a separate EX roulette is not a bad thing. If you queue for it, you know there's the possibility it's going to take time. And like MSQ roulette, the reward can be scaled up from normal to account for that.

For those fearing people using an EX roulette who aren't prepared for it, there are two things to keep in mind: the roulette would also attract more players who are capable and knowledgeable leading to a better run, and there is still the vote kick feature for someone truly holding the party back.

There are a few things I would do with an EX roulette to help minimize potential problems.

First, limit it to max level jobs. We could use another roulette specific to max level players outside of Expert and the level 90 roulette that will no doubt be added in 6.2.

Second, require previous completion of all previous EX trials EXCEPT the trial most recently added (for instance, as of right now a player would need to have completed every trial but Endsinger). By the same token, the most recent trial would not be included in the roulette to encourage PF groups for completion. Or the roulette could exclude all current expansion EX trials if SE is worried about players getting help clearing them through PF.

Finally, make the item level requirement to queue equal to the minimum ilvl of the most recent trial included in the roulette. That way there can be no ilvl cheesing trying to fish for whatever the community decides is the easiest trial to complete.

Being a roulette intended to help fill queues for players doing a piece of content for the first time, there's always going to be the chance you end up with someone in the group who doesn't know what they're doing but the number of inexperienced players in a party should be smaller. If the group does end up with someone having issues, they can be encouraged to go back to Party Finder to join learning groups.

[Mikey_R]

Sounds like the penalty should be as high as the duty timer then if they quit of their own volition.

Then they will just do whatever they were doing for an hour+ instead to pass the time. At least this way they will be achieving something and not going into a wipefest where noone wants to listen and so the hour is wasted.

For those fearing people using an EX roulette who aren't prepared for it, there are two things to keep in mind: the roulette would also attract more players who are capable and knowledgeable leading to a better run, and there is still the vote kick feature for someone truly holding the party back.

If a fight only takes 1 person messing up to wipe, and that scenario happens more often than not, then the more knowledgeable players will just stop queuing. If someone happens to not be listening to your advice and again, this happens more often than not, they will stop queuing. This isn't going to be as bas as most of the world, but for someone in the EU, where there is a massive array of languages, it can be hard to communicate. Even if you were to check what language settings they have, they might have French ticked, but speak Spanish, Italian, Flemish or a variety of other languages.

However, on the flipside, you could get players who think, I can just queue up and have other carry me through the fight like with everything else, which then adds onto the above points. There are so many more variables as to who is going to queue than just 'it will attract more knowledgeable players' that reducing it down to just that is ignoring the forest for the trees.

Now, don't get me wrong, if the majority of the playerbase was good enough to get through an EX trial, sure, add it, however the majority are not, and frustrating 7 other players with someone's unwillingness to learn, or someone who just is not good enough in general to even attempt an EX trial is not a good way to keep players interested.

If you really want to help players with EX trials, you would have more success making a PF for specific trials, at least that way you have a higher chance that people will listen and do actually want to learn. You can then spend longer than 1 lockout doing it, and eventually clearing the fight, rather than starting over again from scratch, with a brand new party, from the roulette.

[AmpelioB]

There are a few things I would do with an EX roulette to help minimize potential problems.

First, limit it to max level jobs. We could use another roulette specific to max level players outside of Expert and the level 90 roulette that will no doubt be added in 6.2.

i'm only against this point because you're taking the opportunity to also rewards newbies that already got the hang of a few extremes

[Deveryn]

If the group does end up with someone having issues, they can be encouraged to go back to Party Finder to join learning groups.

This right here would be the biggest reason this idea fails. I've joined plenty of PFs that are "duty complete". It's almost guaranteed you'll have at least one person who only just barely cleared once and still hasn't learned anything. Few are those actually honest enough to go back and run another learning party.