To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[game_enjoyer]

I try to condition my healers from the first pull. I w2w, put the gloves on, and then wait until i hear the audio queue for a spell being cast on me, and then pop bloodwhetting/RI. If they're nervous or new or don't realize warriors can solo heal, it usually eases them up. Some people are just a curebot tho... Every duty finder dungeon i go into I always hope I get the healer that lets me go absolutely buckwild and handle the pulls myself, but there are very few healers that have the nuts required to let their tank get to 5% and hold off on the "oh shit" button.

[Stanazolol]

Speaking as someone who mainly plays healer in group content; "Messy pulls" aren't really that big of a deal. I played last night with a newer tank that wasn't AoEing the entire time, or wasn't hitting everything, I don't know. But I would get a handful of mobs on me, the DPS would have a couple as well. Even groups that don't have those problems, if a DPS or healer gets tagged a few times while getting the mobs back to the tank it's not a big deal. Hell, DPS get an instant comm if they actually use Second Wind/Bloodbath in that scenario (I'm sure that will happen some day....).

I agree with you though, what IS a problem is DPS that don't pull the mobs they have to the tank. Tank should be paying attention and should be able to cycle to the enemy and pull it but it is much easier and better for the team if the DPS is paying attention and pulls it in to the tank.

Its more the speed and ease of it than anything else. Easier to get the mobs all in one place for aoe if I do it myself most of the time. If whatever DPS is doing helps that, then great, but more often than not its just unnecessary at best and slows us down at worst, especially if a dps is going 1v1 with a mob halfway back down the corridor. Im not worried about them helping me soak damage or the healer being unable to heal a messy pull, thats rarely a problem. If I use cooldowns, dont stand in aoe, and still have my oh shit button, we can survive the apocalypse.

[DBriggs304]

While it can be slow, tanks run the show.

[Stanazolol]

Speaking as someone who mainly plays healer in group content; "Messy pulls" aren't really that big of a deal. I played last night with a newer tank that wasn't AoEing the entire time, or wasn't hitting everything, I don't know. But I would get a handful of mobs on me, the DPS would have a couple as well. Even groups that don't have those problems, if a DPS or healer gets tagged a few times while getting the mobs back to the tank it's not a big deal. Hell, DPS get an instant comm if they actually use Second Wind/Bloodbath in that scenario (I'm sure that will happen some day....).

I agree with you though, what IS a problem is DPS that don't pull the mobs they have to the tank. Tank should be paying attention and should be able to cycle to the enemy and pull it but it is much easier and better for the team if the DPS is paying attention and pulls it in to the tank.

Its more the speed and ease of it than anything else. Easier to get the mobs all in one place for aoe if I do it myself most of the time. If whatever DPS is doing helps that, then great, but more often than not its just unnecessary at best and slows us down at worst, especially if a dps is going 1v1 with a mob halfway back down the corridor. Im not worried about them helping me soak damage or the healer being unable to heal a messy pull, thats rarely a problem. If I use cooldowns, dont stand in aoe, and still have my oh shit button, we can survive the apocalypse.

[HanWenqing]

As a tank I have often had to deal with people who wanted me to tank everything and then when they wipe hold me responsible so I can understand that some tanks are fed up and prefer to just tank 1 mob we tend to blame the tank for everything unfortunately

[game_enjoyer]

As a tank I have often had to deal with people who wanted me to tank everything and then when they wipe hold me responsible so I can understand that some tanks are fed up and prefer to just tank 1 mob we tend to blame the tank for everything unfortunately

Most people want tanks to w2w because unless you're trying to solo heal from the tank position, it's very easy to cycle your mitigations and manage threats without dying. The only thing easier than tanking is healing from the healing position.

[Nyxs]

You know. Some of us dont actually LIKE tanking and just want to get all the classes to 90. Thats a thing. So if you don't like it, leave. Odds are at least one other person in the party is from my FC if not 2. Sometimes in a small FC we wont get 3 others online at the same time. So just let me level in peace and get it over with, I'm already considering a job skip but I can't afford it thanks.

Then dont play with randoms in dutyfinder. No one wants your laziness and bad takes.

[Breakbeat]

The 'narrow scope of vision' is an astronomically huge problem in our society right now, especially with the advance of social media and the internet.

So, to state unequivocally for the record:

Just because you can do something at skill level X does not mean anyone else can do that same thing at all, at any skill level.

Your skill level is yours and yours alone. You have absolutely, positively zero information with which to rate the skill level of a stranger and subsequently expect them to behave a certain way.

That's straight up insanity, and people unfortunately do this all day.

"I'm scared without a gun so everyone needs access to a gun."
"I work 120 hours a week so everyone should work 120 hours a week. Lazy homeless trash."
"This thing makes me angry. Everyone should hate it. Cancel it. Ban it."
"I wouldn't personally allow this to be done to my body, so no one can do it! Banned."

...and yes...

"I can play this game with my eyes closed, drunk, with both hands tied behind my back. And this random dude can't even pull two packs?!?!"

Insanity, folks. Think about it.

[CaptainDillweed]

While it can be slow, tanks run the show.

Confucius say...

[game_enjoyer]

The 'narrow scope of vision' is an astronomically huge problem in our society right now, especially with the advance of social media and the internet.

So, to state unequivocally for the record:

Just because you can do something at skill level X does not mean anyone else can do that same thing at all, at any skill level.

Your skill level is yours and yours alone. You have absolutely, positively zero information with which to rate the skill level of a stranger and subsequently expect them to behave a certain way.

That's straight up insanity, and people unfortunately do this all day.

"I'm scared without a gun so everyone needs access to a gun."
"I work 120 hours a week so everyone should work 120 hours a week. Lazy homeless trash."
"This thing makes me angry. Everyone should hate it. Cancel it. Ban it."
"I wouldn't personally allow this to be done to my body, so no one can do it! Banned."

...and yes...

"I can play this game with my eyes closed, drunk, with both hands tied behind my back. And this random dude can't even pull two packs?!?!"

Insanity, folks. Think about it.

This would be fine if the bar for tanking wasn't subterranean. Tanking is so easy I can explain how to do it for every tank right now. Put stance on, pop sprint before aggroing the first mob pack (optional), reach the wall, grabbing mobs on the way, and apply arm's length + reprisal. After 10 seconds, apply your 30% mitigation. After 10 seconds, apply your 10% mitigation. After 5 seconds, apply rampart. Use AoE abilities in between. That rotation is good enough to get you through a majority of w2w pulls without engaging with anything else and just relying on your healer to pick up the slack. It's not an issue of "Why aren't they as good as me?!" It's an issue of, "The developers have been intentionally making this role easier and easier for the last 2 expansions, how are we still having these issues?"