To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[LeonKeyh]

Honestly, if we're talking standard dungeons, a healer running out of mana means they're still learning how to use their toolkit. Either they're spamming high-mana heals unnecessarily instead of using more efficient spells, or they're not using their mana regen ability/abilities, or both. The length of any given fight is irrelevant for someone with a good idea of how their toolkit works, since they won't run out anyway.

Your scenario definitely is the higher possibility, but it's still not the only one. If you run out of your resources/cooldowns you will run out of mana shortly after. There is an exponential increase in power whenever you pull more groups.

Mitigation cool downs become more powerful
Offensive buffs become so much more powerful

If people use a decent number of their cooldowns on the first pack, the second pack is going to take longer to kill, you're not doing to have the cool downs (mit/heals/offensive) you need, you're possibly not going to have regenerated enough resources, etc.

Certain abilities (mainly resource based heals) are a big source of MP regeneration for healers. So if you don't have them not only are you losing out on a "free heal", but you're also not gaining MP and instead losing MP. That's another exponential issue.

If I'm playing SGE and have 6000 MP left, I could:

Use Druochole for an Addersgall for 700 cure potency and end up with 6700 MP
Use Physis for a HoT and stay at 6000MP
Use Eukrasian Diagnosis for 840 cure potency and end up with 5100 MP

If I don't have the resource for Druochole or the cooldown for Physis, then I am 1600 MP "worse off" than if I did. The game definitely makes it easy to stay in the realm of "Everything is Ok", but that's partially because of the exponential gains in the "efficient" way of playing the game (i.e. wall to wall pulls). Once you start peeling away certain efficiencies, you can really get to "Everything is not ok" fairly fast.

BUT, misplaying is still the more likely reason that a healer will run out of mana, yes.

[Banriikku]

I know i already said it:
1. Talk with your party about WHAT YOU want
2. if the tank plays diffrently just vote kick or leave or get kicked for diffrence in playstyle

Not hard, not special.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

I know when I started playing FFXIV, I did single pulling on Sastasha on my first time because I did not know how dungeons were like in the game (I played WoW WotLK only) but after realizing that Tanking is super simple and you have the tools to be hard to kill, it immediately clicked that to get the best out of the fights is to take more.

What baffles me is that it never clicked to most people and they still tip toe at later levels even with a bigger range of Mit tools at their disposal. I mean jesus people did you use training wheels until your mid teens? Why are you still playing like you are still on your training wheels in lvl70+ content?

[leanansi]

Honestly, I would rather tanks just pull what they/the party can handle, even if it's one group. In most instances pulling wall to wall is totally fine. I've literally never died to a mob in any level 90 dungeon, for example. There are some dungeons, like Hollminster Switch in my experience, that seem to challenge a lot of people. Even then, I've had tons of runs that went fine in there pulling wall to wall. So, if the tank feels like they can get it done with the party they're in and they've done it many times before, go for it. If they feel uncertain or are new to that instance, I would rather they pull smaller. It's way more inconvenient to wipe than to just do smaller pulls, imo. The tanks that take on more than they can handle twice in a row are the ones that I really dread, not the ones that pull small. I've had tanks die to three or four mobs but never just consider going smaller and it's such an unpleasant experience. It drags on forever and the time spent running back through the half empty dungeon is much more boring than longer time spent fighting smaller groups. But as long as the pulls are a manageable size for the party you have, I'm basically fine with whatever.

To be honest, though, I use the duty finder for roulettes and general leveling very often and I rarely have terrible experiences. I feel like sometimes people exaggerate how often things go completely sideways in there.

[Stanazolol]

Honestly, I would rather tanks just pull what they/the party can handle, even if it's one group. In most instances pulling wall to wall is totally fine. I've literally never died to a mob in any level 90 dungeon, for example. There are some dungeons, like Hollminster Switch in my experience, that seem to challenge a lot of people. Even then, I've had tons of runs that went fine in there pulling wall to wall. So, if the tank feels like they can get it done with the party they're in and they've done it many times before, go for it. If they feel uncertain or are new to that instance, I would rather they pull smaller. It's way more inconvenient to wipe than to just do smaller pulls, imo. The tanks that take on more than they can handle twice in a row are the ones that I really dread, not the ones that pull small. I've had tanks die to three or four mobs but never just consider going smaller and it's such an unpleasant experience. It drags on forever and the time spent running back through the half empty dungeon is much more boring than longer time spent fighting smaller groups. But as long as the pulls are a manageable size for the party you have, I'm basically fine with whatever.

To be honest, though, I use the duty finder for roulettes and general leveling very often and I rarely have terrible experiences. I feel like sometimes people exaggerate how often things go completely sideways in there.

Even in holminster switch ill pull wall to wall, you can still clear with newbies. Might need a holmgang or two, but thats what its there for.

Ill default pull wall to wall always unless im asked not to, and in that case im fine with it. If youre going to play an mmo, you need to accommodate other players, and of it aggravates you too much, talk your way out of it or leave. Thats just part of it.

[Cilia]

I tend to be flexible with how I run dungeons because you never know what you're going to get.

As a rule of thumb, especially during X.0, the first time I run a dungeon I only pull one trash pack at a time to make sure there's no nasty surprises waiting. Just like how you need to have some patience fighting new Trial / Raid bosses and clearing Alliance raids, taking things slow and steady on a first run is a prudent course of action.

Past that, it's important to be flexible. Sometimes you get a party that's not so skilled or geared, and wall to wall pulls aren't the smartest thing to do. (I got Aitiascope the other day; one DPS had mid-leveling gear, the other wasn't in anything better than Cryptlurker.) Just roll with the punches.

[CptBraden]

Honestly I just enjoy pulling one group at a time and taking my time, I truly have more fun that way. I don’t see the need to rush, we have over an hour to finish the run, that doesn’t mean I wanna sit in a dungeon for an hour, but we don’t have to blitz it in less than 10 min either. Rushing and W2W pulls are annoying to me, I’m also a casual player that takes frequent breaks after finishing an expansion. So the fact they added npcs into story content is perfect for someone like me. I can play whatever class I want, how I want, and whatever speed I want without getting flack for it. And when I run content alone with npcs it still only takes me like 15-20 min going slow at one pull at a time. I’m just not in a rush, that’s just how I enjoy the game. So basically to answer that first persons question, if I was still doing it with ppl, why do I only pull 1 group? It is because I enjoy the game like that, slow and steady, taking in the designs, checking every path that’s available. Other may think that’s boring and the base game dungeons or boring too, but to me their fun, and I enjoy that style of play. To each their own.

[Gwenkatsu]

So let's check this out.

• 3.5 year necro
• Low post count
• Typical buzz phrases "I'm a casual", "when I play group content everybody else has to adjust to my needs", ...

Good morning, little troll. I wonder how many will take the bait.

[Deejudanne]

Honestly I just enjoy pulling one group at a time and taking my time, I truly have more fun that way. I don’t see the need to rush, we have over an hour to finish the run, that doesn’t mean I wanna sit in a dungeon for an hour, but we don’t have to blitz it in less than 10 min either. Rushing and W2W pulls are annoying to me, I’m also a casual player that takes frequent breaks after finishing an expansion. So the fact they added npcs into story content is perfect for someone like me. I can play whatever class I want, how I want, and whatever speed I want without getting flack for it. And when I run content alone with npcs it still only takes me like 15-20 min going slow at one pull at a time. I’m just not in a rush, that’s just how I enjoy the game. So basically to answer that first persons question, if I was still doing it with ppl, why do I only pull 1 group? It is because I enjoy the game like that, slow and steady, taking in the designs, checking every path that’s available. Other may think that’s boring and the base game dungeons or boring too, but to me their fun, and I enjoy that style of play. To each their own.

what's the point of necroing an almost half a decade old thread?