To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[game_enjoyer]

The 'narrow scope of vision' is an astronomically huge problem in our society right now, especially with the advance of social media and the internet.

So, to state unequivocally for the record:

Just because you can do something at skill level X does not mean anyone else can do that same thing at all, at any skill level.

Your skill level is yours and yours alone. You have absolutely, positively zero information with which to rate the skill level of a stranger and subsequently expect them to behave a certain way.

That's straight up insanity, and people unfortunately do this all day.

"I'm scared without a gun so everyone needs access to a gun."
"I work 120 hours a week so everyone should work 120 hours a week. Lazy homeless trash."
"This thing makes me angry. Everyone should hate it. Cancel it. Ban it."
"I wouldn't personally allow this to be done to my body, so no one can do it! Banned."

...and yes...

"I can play this game with my eyes closed, drunk, with both hands tied behind my back. And this random dude can't even pull two packs?!?!"

Insanity, folks. Think about it.

This would be fine if the bar for tanking wasn't subterranean. Tanking is so easy I can explain how to do it for every tank right now. Put stance on, pop sprint before aggroing the first mob pack (optional), reach the wall, grabbing mobs on the way, and apply arm's length + reprisal. After 10 seconds, apply your 30% mitigation. After 10 seconds, apply your 10% mitigation. After 5 seconds, apply rampart. Use AoE abilities in between. That rotation is good enough to get you through a majority of w2w pulls without engaging with anything else and just relying on your healer to pick up the slack. It's not an issue of "Why aren't they as good as me?!" It's an issue of, "The developers have been intentionally making this role easier and easier for the last 2 expansions, how are we still having these issues?"

[Stanazolol]

This would be fine if the bar for tanking wasn't subterranean. Tanking is so easy I can explain how to do it for every tank right now. Put stance on, pop sprint before aggroing the first mob pack (optional), reach the wall, grabbing mobs on the way, and apply arm's length + reprisal. After 10 seconds, apply your 30% mitigation. After 10 seconds, apply your 10% mitigation. After 5 seconds, apply rampart. Use AoE abilities in between. That rotation is good enough to get you through a majority of w2w pulls without engaging with anything else and just relying on your healer to pick up the slack. It's not an issue of "Why aren't they as good as me?!" It's an issue of, "The developers have been intentionally making this role easier and easier for the last 2 expansions, how are we still having these issues?"

I wish you now explain us how to dps the packs, as thats the part I see need the most help.

[Asari5]

I wish you now explain us how to dps the packs, as thats the part I see need the most help.

oh yes thats true. people think dps jobs dont have any responsibilities, thats why they slack of. and saying something in that direction is the most evil thing to do. yet its such an important part.

[Tlamila]

oh yes thats true. people think dps jobs dont have any responsibilities, thats why they slack of. and saying something in that direction is the most evil thing to do. yet its such an important part.

And you notice the difference hugely in a run, when dps are good vs when they aren't, more than tank and healer being good. If packs melt like chocolate in the sun, you barely even need mitigation and heals at all.
You notice that in expert roulette, nvm the gear thing, but even at equal gear you notice how with people who knowtheir rotation sprint doesn't evencome off cd by the time your pull is dead and you run to the next pack. Imagine how much faster and smoother levelling dungeons would be with good dps.

[Merrigan]

This would be fine if the bar for tanking wasn't subterranean. Tanking is so easy I can explain how to do it for every tank right now. Put stance on, pop sprint before aggroing the first mob pack (optional), reach the wall, grabbing mobs on the way, and apply arm's length + reprisal. After 10 seconds, apply your 30% mitigation. After 10 seconds, apply your 10% mitigation. After 5 seconds, apply rampart. Use AoE abilities in between. That rotation is good enough to get you through a majority of w2w pulls without engaging with anything else and just relying on your healer to pick up the slack. It's not an issue of "Why aren't they as good as me?!" It's an issue of, "The developers have been intentionally making this role easier and easier for the last 2 expansions, how are we still having these issues?"

This post is a typical example of "why simplifying a job was never a good idea, and why over-simplification makes you less lax about mistakes".

That said: you are playing with humans. Not bots. That's why we keep having these problems, and there's nothing else to understand. Agree to be a little flexible. Being a good player isn't just, as you just pointed out, knowing how to organise your mitigations. That part is simple. What is less simple is adapting to players you have just met. The tank is more of an optimizer than a common punching bag (which is why I actually find your description very poor).

On a personal note, the ones that piss me off the most are the people who are so buried in their "wall-to-wall" mentality that they end up causing wipes. In fact, some are so convinced of this religion that they don't even ask the question "why is the tank slowing down here". Small reference to a group I met yesterday, on my alt, where a dps thought it was a good idea to pull more when I had no CDs left. The same dps, of course, who was doing mold damage and forcing me to slam more on each pack, because the mobs weren't melting fast enough.

I'm seeing more and more of that these days - and they're rarely the best players. Which doesn't surprise me at all. They're also the most common, because in reality players who pull a pack by a pack are rare in the higher levels, despite all the complaining about it.

[game_enjoyer]

This post is a typical example of "why simplifying a job was never a good idea, and why over-simplification makes you less lax about mistakes".

That said: you are playing with humans. Not bots. That's why we keep having these problems, and there's nothing else to understand. Agree to be a little flexible. Being a good player isn't just, as you just pointed out, knowing how to organise your mitigations. That part is simple. What is less simple is adapting to players you have just met. The tank is more of an optimizer than a common punching bag (which is why I actually find your description very poor).

On a personal note, the ones that piss me off the most are the people who are so buried in their "wall-to-wall" mentality that they end up causing wipes. In fact, some are so convinced of this religion that they don't even ask the question "why is the tank slowing down here". Small reference to a group I met yesterday, on my alt, where a dps thought it was a good idea to pull more when I had no CDs left. The same dps, of course, who was doing mold damage and forcing me to slam more on each pack, because the mobs weren't melting fast enough.

I'm seeing more and more of that these days - and they're rarely the best players. Which doesn't surprise me at all. They're also the most common, because in reality players who pull a pack by a pack are rare in the higher levels, despite all the complaining about it.

if u can't pull w2w post 50 that's just u being bad and nothing to do with anyone else