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  1. #151
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    Bunnycake's Avatar
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    Yuki Yagami
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelCheese77 View Post
    Lucky for you the revamp made the dungeon straight forward!
    Oh, that's awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Hrothgar so done with being second class that they summon their own primal to give them hair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Matsya is an elephant. I cant blame them for not casting the voice to a talking elephant.

  2. #152
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    Wanzzo's Avatar
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph View Post
    Kupo <3 in the grand scheme of things is a few extra minutes going to make or break you in a mmorpg? Pull them all pull one it really won't amount to any difference in the end *shrug* <3 kupo

    Don't fret kupo <3 tell them they are doing well and use positive vibes kupo <3
    That's my moogle

    Never play to get bored. Never enter roulettes if you aren't in the mood to meet random people. Adapt, be kind, help and have FUN!

    Go ahead, fluffy friend, make more moogles like you for us. We need them here :3
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    Last edited by Wanzzo; 07-15-2022 at 04:09 AM.
    "Every soul you touch will remember your kindness" - TIA, G'raha

  3. #153
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    Zlatomir Onasch
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    It typically takes 20-45 minutes to queue for a dungeon and complete it even with a bad group. It takes 1/60th of a second to decide not to.

    Think on this.
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  4. #154
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    Arya Diavolos
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    This thread has gotten too hugboxxy, bring out the YPYT thread already. I need to see blood being spilled as the thread turns into a raging hellscape fit to make the second zone of the Dead Ends look like a playground in comparison.
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  5. #155
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaconBits View Post
    This thread has gotten too hugboxxy, bring out the YPYT thread already. I need to see blood being spilled as the thread turns into a raging hellscape fit to make the second zone of the Dead Ends look like a playground in comparison.
    '-'

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    "Every soul you touch will remember your kindness" - TIA, G'raha

  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
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  7. #157
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    To be fair that is a dated concept, doing it fast and right are the standard not just in game but in life. Efficiency is often based around speed. If one cannot do it fast and right they will find someone that can. Be in game or in life.
    Yeah I gotta weigh in on this one, too.

    We have an adage in software development. You can have fast, good, or cheap. Pick two. Fast and good are not cheap in my line of work. And many businesses don't invest in their IT teams because they think don't understand what we do and think we pull magic out of our behinds or think they understand what we do (and really don't) and don't think that investment is necessary. So we're often on the cheap side usually being pushed to do it quickly. Which means good is sacrificed. That's where technical debt comes from.
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  8. #158
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    Katoar's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    I honestly don't think the kind of people who do single-pulls are the same who do savage. Or even just exes. Or any non-msq content at all tbh.
    Although this is true, I wouldn't be surprised to see an unprepared tank forcing three other players to go through brutal hardships because DF people have taught them all the wrong lessons. That no standards exist in this game in terms of skill performance and that they take all day if they wish to start playing and start pulling. That it is perfectly fine to be single targeting trash mobs instead of using AoE. That it is okay to not be using 90% of their actions. Everything can happen.
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Yeah I gotta weigh in on this one, too.

    We have an adage in software development. You can have fast, good, or cheap. Pick two. Fast and good are not cheap in my line of work. And many businesses don't invest in their IT teams because they think don't understand what we do and think we pull magic out of our behinds or think they understand what we do (and really don't) and don't think that investment is necessary. So we're often on the cheap side usually being pushed to do it quickly. Which means good is sacrificed. That's where technical debt comes from.
    Sure in it comes at a price but, but I do feel my point still stands that overall speed is becoming increasingly more in demand and becoming the standard. Especially in fields with a surplus. I agree it is not ideal but just because it is not ideal does not mean it is not the standard many strive for or are encouraged to strive for. Point I was trying to make is if someone does not meet the standards they personally have often times they will simply find someone that does, or force them into situations to meet those standards.

    I do feel it is different if you find yourself in an environment with shared standards. That is the ideal, but often times many do not have the luxury be it in life or in game to be part of such a group. If you run into that case it is a matter of adapting and dying so to speak. Generally from what I have seen it is rare for a group in either setting to adapt to the slowest method even if it is only 1 min slower. People tend to gravitate towards the quicker option.
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 07-15-2022 at 05:59 AM.

  10. #160
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    Elmind Exilus
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katoar View Post
    Although this is true, I wouldn't be surprised to see an unprepared tank forcing three other players to go through brutal hardships because DF people have taught them all the wrong lessons. That no standards exist in this game in terms of skill performance and that they take all day if they wish to start playing and start pulling. That it is perfectly fine to be single targeting trash mobs instead of using AoE. That it is okay to not be using 90% of their actions. Everything can happen.
    In 7 years of playing, I don't think I have ever seen a DF group teach that "no standards exist" or that single-targeting is somehow okay. While AoE issues are rare, I don't think I've ever seen a tank only gain aggro on a single target more than once and not be given advice in chat about AoE abilities.

    The title says pulling "one mob at a time" but really seems to have meant "one pack of mobs at a time."
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    Last edited by Striker44; 07-15-2022 at 06:01 AM. Reason: Added last sentence

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