Revert summoner to 5.55 while re-reworking it please?

[Darkpaw]

What part of SMN's direction is fine? Care to specify? All I see is a set in stone rotation of the ruin spam everyone apparently hated, with different colours every 15s. Please elucidate specifically what part of newSMN is a good direction to take the job, without diverging into fanciful imaginations about where it could go. I am sincerely curious about what an answer would be.

At least it’s a summoner now not a badly implemented pet based DoT mage.

I find it funny how that people think I’m happy about summoner’s current implementation, when I’ve said repeatedly that the implementation was not well done.

You say it has no base, rotationally you may be correct, but in theme and identity it does have a solid start, the idea of using demi summons, and smaller summons that change the affect of job actions is a good idea on paper, however reskinning the same basic abilities is not a good implementation of that idea. They could work to build on that system and create something great.

My biggest point is that regression does not equal progression. Stop waxing fanciful about how great summoner was.. it wasn’t they’ve yet to hit a truly great implementation of summoner. Which is why they have altered summoner drastically every single expansion.

See the intent and the idea behind the implementation and build from that. Not looking back at previous iterations that have had people begging for summoner reworks all along. Or put forth an entirely new idea not based on anything currently existing or that which has come before.

[tearagion]

At least it’s a summoner now not a badly implemented pet based DoT mage.

I find it funny how that people think I’m happy about summoner’s current implementation, when I’ve said repeatedly that the implementation was not well done.

You say it has no base, rotationally you may be correct, but in theme and identity it does have a solid start, the idea of using demi summons, and smaller summons that change the affect of job actions is a good idea on paper, however reskinning the same basic abilities is not a good implementation of that idea. They could work to build on that system and create something great.

My biggest point is that regression does not equal progression. Stop waxing fanciful about how great summoner was.. it wasn’t they’ve yet to hit a truly great implementation of summoner. Which is why they have altered summoner drastically every single expansion.

See the intent and the idea behind the implementation and build from that. Not looking back at previous iterations that have had people begging for summoner reworks all along. Or put forth an entirely new idea not based on anything currently existing or that which has come before.

Distilling all the other things I didn't ask about, and asked to exclude: the direction that is "fine" is the thematic direction, which hasn't significantly changed (still summoning simulacra of the same primals), other than SMN doesn't have DoTs anymore. Thanks for answering.

[Shuuli]

Many people feel the need to say that summoner is more "summoner now"

I do not know what makes people feel summoner being more summoner, but I would thought this is a video game not a tabletop RP DnD ripoff... I do enjoy me some roleplay from time to time, but if I want to play a video game I prefer enjoying the game content itself than the idea of me being able to summon big monsters. (Which by the way disappear after 2 seconds and the job is not actually summoner but borrower cause all you do is borrow their powers to your pet)

Alas, NO, I don't think reverting back is a good idea. Some things need fixing, and in the future patches or expansions we might get some extra actions. I just wish we could use all of our abilities with lowered potency in lower content. Doing dailies with low lvl summoner is a pain I try to avoid like the plague.

[fulminating]

My biggest point is that regression does not equal progression.

And change does not equal progress