Thread: Revert summoner to 5.55 while re-reworking it please?

You can take all the surveys you want. They're not going to roll things back to that broken state. What they can do is possibly bring back some of the skills, though that seems doubtful. For better or worse, SMN will remain this way. There's room for additions and improvements to the existing design.

Any productive effort put into the job at all would be nice. As it is now it's the lowest effort piece of garbage they've ever slapped together. The actual worst case scenario of a rework.

This forum has turn into whiners, nothing wrong with summoner now. more primal and tune up maybe.

I don't like these kind of posts just because I think of what the SMN rework could have been and I get sad with what we got (a simplified ranged dps with no room for personal improvement)

Originally Posted by tearagion

Any productive effort put into the job at all would be nice. As it is now it's the lowest effort piece of garbage they've ever slapped together. The actual worst case scenario of a rework.

You could not be more wrong. While SMN may be overly simplified at present. There was a job rework in Stormblood that actually broke a job so badly most of the playerbase avoided it like the plague for the entire expansion.

On the summoner side of things. Going back is not the answer. It’s easy to look back with rose tinted glasses but summoner was pretty despised last expac and needed a rework. As others have said the idea they are going with is great. It’s an actual summoner. The execution… admittedly could be more fleshed out. It’s too streamlined at this point and needs something more.

So rather than ask for a rollback (which again as has been said before will never happen.) maybe think of new ways to build on what they have made and focus your energies there. May have better chances of getting your wish. (Still not great chances but better than asking for a rollback)

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

You could not be more wrong. While SMN may be overly simplified at present. There was a job rework in Stormblood that actually broke a job so badly most of the playerbase avoided it like the plague for the entire expansion.

On the summoner side of things. Going back is not the answer. It’s easy to look back with rose tinted glasses but summoner was pretty despised last expac and needed a rework. As others have said the idea they are going with is great. It’s an actual summoner. The execution… admittedly could be more fleshed out. It’s too streamlined at this point and needs something more.

So rather than ask for a rollback (which again as has been said before will never happen.) maybe think of new ways to build on what they have made and focus your energies there. May have better chances of getting your wish. (Still not great chances but better than asking for a rollback)

I didn't say it was the worst rework (though I think that could be debated easily), or the most poorly balanced rework. I said it was the lowest effort rework.

I just don’t understand why we don’t have Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan? This baffles me honestly. The current summoner we have feels very unfinished. It’s like they wanted to do more but ran out of time on the job and had to move to the next job to meet the deadlines.

I’m so tired of the same 3 summons not counting Demi’s we’ve had since ARR. I understand the lore but they changed Astros card lore so they can definitely change summoners lore to give us more primals.

Are they seriously going to make us wait all the way until 7.0 just to give us a trait at level 100 that will give us the rest of the elemental primals?

Originally Posted by SweetPete

I just don’t understand why we don’t have Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan? This baffles me honestly.

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Are they seriously going to make us wait all the way until 7.0 just to give us a trait at level 100 that will give us the rest of the elemental primals?

Although having more primals are nice, adding more primals like Shiva, Ramuh and Leviathan does not add any depth to the job, you will just be using rite, catastrophe and astral flow of different elements.