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  1. #81
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    Shibi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    I would be in favor of larger apartments.
    I do agree.

    Outside of diskspace - which should be solvable - I sort of find it nonsensical that the internal layout can't be switched at the door to any of the other standard interiors. A small house interior should - in any system design I think of - be able to be put behind the door of an apartment. Same with medium and large insides, they should be able to fit behind the apartment door.

    Outside of diskspace, there would be a database entry for the layout and internal wall type and some coding required to allow the player to select the internal walls and layout but SE are surely smart enough to do this.

    Honestly, it would be awesome to allow any door to have any of the internals, to the point of one could have a large external with a medium sized layout internal, or an apartment with a large layout behind the door. Bonus points for SE if they add in more than the 4 internal layouts and/or a tenants system too.

    But I guess, apart from them not wanting too, what happens if everyone with an apartment switched to medium and jumped from 100 objects to 300 objects in terms of space and backup time? Still, it's not a unique problem, I've worked on mission critical systems with petabytes of data and we managed with zero downtime outside of major patches.
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  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    To be fair, a lot of homeowners in this game have 0 self awareness and will actually enter a conversation where people are ranting and upset just to be like "I don't care about this new system because I won back when it was easy" or spend all day dancing in front of their placard while losers come to collect their Gil. I think most people know that they can be banned for saying mean things to each other up front, but the housing system gives them a kind of outlet to be dicks so they just use it. Even before this system, you'd get a new ward opening and people would relocate a dozen times just to screw with other players. A lot of people in this game literally just get a home so they can lord it over people who were unlucky. I've been sort of observing the housing community for a while and some of the stuff I've seen makes other more toxic game communities look like a kindergarten park. I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped into a room full of sad/bitter people just to say "Well I won today, haha!" and leave.
    Do you rememeber the community asking for the housing lottery? It was pretty vocal, but i guess some thought that would win them a house only to get reality checked, now where getting a plot is no longer up to the player input but RNGesus.
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  3. #83
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Do you rememeber the community asking for the housing lottery? It was pretty vocal, but i guess some thought that would win them a house only to get reality checked, now where getting a plot is no longer up to the player input but RNGesus.
    I'm sure a lot of the current voices weren't part of those old discussions. Many of those in the current discussions just joined the forums this year, in some cases specifically because of their frustration with housing now the lottery has been implemented and it turns out that supply really is the problem.

    But even before the lottery, getting a plot was still ultimately up to RNGesus once supply on a world dried up. It didn't matter how long someone spent clicking over how many days and how many different plots. The RNG of when the game decided to release the plot and which player happened to be clicking the right prompt at that particular instant determined the winner.

    The lottery changed the nature of the RNG, allowing more to participate. As much as I believe reward should come from effort, I don't consider making it possible for more to participate in player housing in general, or even houses specifically, to be a problem.

    Once again we're back to "if SE had gone with a fully instanced system modeled after the successful systems in other MMOs, none of this drama would be happening right now".

    The one good thing about the lottery is because there is no barrier to entry beyond the basic eligibility requirements and having the gil, SE should be getting much more accurate information about what actual demand for houses is. Perhaps they will make use of that information to create positive change in the system going forward.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I'm sure a lot of the current voices weren't part of those old discussions. Many of those in the current discussions just joined the forums this year, in some cases specifically because of their frustration with housing now the lottery has been implemented and it turns out that supply really is the problem.

    But even before the lottery, getting a plot was still ultimately up to RNGesus once supply on a world dried up. It didn't matter how long someone spent clicking over how many days and how many different plots. The RNG of when the game decided to release the plot and which player happened to be clicking the right prompt at that particular instant determined the winner.

    The lottery changed the nature of the RNG, allowing more to participate. As much as I believe reward should come from effort, I don't consider making it possible for more to participate in player housing in general, or even houses specifically, to be a problem.

    Once again we're back to "if SE had gone with a fully instanced system modeled after the successful systems in other MMOs, none of this drama would be happening right now".

    The one good thing about the lottery is because there is no barrier to entry beyond the basic eligibility requirements and having the gil, SE should be getting much more accurate information about what actual demand for houses is. Perhaps they will make use of that information to create positive change in the system going forward.
    Supply was always a problem, and to be honest i think they expected supply to outstrip demand. I think they are fine with houses being limited and made apts to pick up the slack (Which is instanced housing). The eastern audience of the game doesn't have as much of a problem with the apts as much as western players simply reject apts and demand a house or something equivalent in size.

    My suggestion is increasing it to small basement size, upping the item limit, and a purchasable plot of dirt on the roof. But lets be real, unless they get a small that isn't demolish-able, nothing will sate them lol
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  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solowing View Post
    Supply was always a problem, and to be honest i think they expected supply to outstrip demand. I think they are fine with houses being limited and made apts to pick up the slack (Which is instanced housing). The eastern audience of the game doesn't have as much of a problem with the apts as much as western players simply reject apts and demand a house or something equivalent in size.

    My suggestion is increasing it to small basement size, upping the item limit, and a purchasable plot of dirt on the roof. But lets be real, unless they get a small that isn't demolish-able, nothing will sate them lol
    I can agree they expect it to happen (it's unavoidable considering the player population). I don't entirely agree that they're fine with it happening.

    YoshiP's philosophy is to make the game's content feel inclusive to all players (with the usual MMO skill based exceptions like Savage and Ultimate). The current housing system doesn't achieve that thanks to some of the features being restricted to house ownership. I can't see him being fine with players being upset they can't get a house considering he's the one who has pushed for the wards so players could feel like they're part of neighborhoods.

    The beancounters, on the other hand, likely are fine with it. That's the nature of finance. Spend as little as possible to keep revenue coming in, start cutting costs when revenue drops instead of spending money to fix the issues causing the drop.

    Sadly, the beancounters control the money strings. Unless someone can convince them that investing in their international player base will help their revenue stream, we're unlikely to see anything done.
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  6. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    A lot of people in this game literally just get a home so they can lord it over people
    No you've got it wrong, those people that do that have multiple homes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone jumped into a room full of sad/bitter people just to say "Well I won today, haha!" and leave.
    I was in a Housing discord server, pretty much had to mute it and remove my roles because that's exactly how it is. People will brag about having five or six houses on alts and then have the nerve to tell people to "cheer up" and "keep trying". Yes, I understand you worked hard to hoard housing, but the whole "Well *I* had success so... you can too little one!" is annoying.

    Actually saw one person say they felt guilty because someone was crying, and begging them for a house, and I quote "They said this was their dream house, but I'm just hoarding houses. This feels bad" and everyone else was saying "don't feel bad". Pretty sure they only reason they told that person not to feel bad, was so that they also don't have to face the guilt of constantly getting houses while knowing other players are having difficulties getting houses.

    With that being said, people that sit on placards and emote spam on placards pass the poor personality test. Even though I have a house, I come here and try to advocate for a better system. Because this is ridiculous. We need more housing, END of STORY.
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  7. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    But I guess, apart from them not wanting too, what happens if everyone with an apartment switched to medium and jumped from 100 objects to 300 objects in terms of space and backup time? Still, it's not a unique problem, I've worked on mission critical systems with petabytes of data and we managed with zero downtime outside of major patches.
    A bit of napkin math. Complete SWAG because I don't know how talented their data designers are or are not.

    - placeable id: 4 bytes
    - posittion (x,y,z): 6 bytes (3 half-floats)
    - rotation: 2 bytes (another half-float)
    - dye: 2 bytes (just in case)

    14 bytes per object. At 200 extra objects that's an additional 280 bytes per interior. Assuming the 21,600 figure is correct for number of apartments per world the additional storage budget would be a whopping 6Mb per server.

    *hands a quarter to Square* keep the change.
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  8. #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiReed View Post
    A bit of napkin math. Complete SWAG because I don't know how talented their data designers are or are not.

    - placeable id: 4 bytes
    - posittion (x,y,z): 6 bytes (3 half-floats)
    - rotation: 2 bytes (another half-float)
    - dye: 2 bytes (just in case)

    14 bytes per object. At 200 extra objects that's an additional 2802800 bytes per interior. Assuming the 21,600 figure is correct for number of apartments per world the additional storage budget would be a whopping 6Mb60MB per server.

    *hands a quarter to Square* keep the change.
    I fixed some simple math errors in your post.
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  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Ballprince is essentially telling everyone who disagrees with their position to cancel themselves, so SE only sees one side. Perhaps ballprince should take their own advice, and quit responding to posts that he or she disagrees with. But what are the odds that will happen?

    SE gave ballprince and the other housing malcontents easy access to housing by providing apartments.
    But that's not enough for them: they feel entitled to a house.
    They are not, and never have been.
    For some who fixates on claims of entitlement in almost post in response to a guy upset about not getting a house, I sure didn't see you repeating this in the "auto demo?" thread (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...6863-Auto-Demo). What's it going to take? Does "ballprince" need to comment on it?
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  10. #90
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    They probably have a personal vendetta against Ballprince at this point. If they're gonna be this aggressive and inflammatory in their posts, though, they're probably not worth the hassle or stress.

    If you want my advice, just ignore them. Although they are doing us "entitled" folks a favor by helping to bump the thread. Though, I still won't acknowledge them until they can conduct themselves appropriately.
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