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  1. #111
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    Fenris Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!
    Lore is not on their side here. White Mages (and Scholars) have had various offensive options across the mainline series and pretending otherwise in order to justify the current state of healers in 90% of content is an argument that doesn't hold up.
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  2. #112
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    You'll think of me?
    "O loveliest of branches, please grant me your succor!"

    Darn it! Where's Feo Ul when you need them?
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  3. #113
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    Tearagi Eruzure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
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    What the fuck did I just read?
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  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by tearagion View Post
    What the fuck did I just read?
    An interpretive dance of the discussion between a Healer and the hoi poloi?
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    Everyone else: Okay, so shields fall off near-instantly, yet they negate damage all the same, if you have time to DPS you have time to reapply a shield to the tank who is always getting hit, especially when he has no more CD's to burn.
    "I don't have anything to do."
    Everyone else: Did you not just hear what I said?
    "I can do DPS instead"
    Everyone else: The tank might be more appreciative of not having to be healed if you keep the shield up, especially during big pulls.
    This is just objectively bad. Please, NEVER EVER play like this. Dealing damage and killing mobs faster is a significantly more effective form of mitigation than spamming garbage GCD shields in combat.
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  6. #116
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    average healing design defender



    yes healing is surely really fun when you have absolutely no clue what youre doing and youre desperately shielding the party and then the shields wear off after 30 seconds because nobody took damage.
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  7. #117
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    Reiya Rahamos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    You'll think of me?





    So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!
    Yes, because the game's lore is the core of it and its job classes, it's a MAGIC CLASS like other magic classes that use one button to do the heavy part of their damage with similar if not superior potency is why they only need 1 button. They aren't monks, they don't run combos. If anything is a symbol of their strength that they only need 1 button and have comparable power to other MAGIC JOBS. Suggestions like "give healers more combat options." get shot down because there is no grounds for it. White Mages are NOT offensive powerhouses, be thankful they are as powerful offensively as they are period. In any Main series Final Fantasy a after maybe the 3rd game white mages had some secondary mechanic to give them more flavor. in 4 Rosa had Archery skills meaning she was an Archer White Mage, in 7 Aerith had limit breaks, in 8 Rinoa had Angelo, in 9 Garnet had summons, and in 10 Yuna had summons.

    You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play.
    What if someone fell in love with the role in HW/SB, and are disappointed at the more recent direction that has fundamentally altered how the role plays? How is the role undergoing vast changes from its original incarnationnot a game problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind.
    Even healing in Ultimate consists of spamming one damage button 99% of the time. The design around healing actually isn't that different from all the content elsewhere in the game, it's just fatal if you don't mitigate it properly, which is a collective responsibility for the entire party and not unique to healers. Otherwise it's still a matter of using the exact same heals at the exact same time every pull, while spamming one button the absolute vast majority of the time.
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  9. #119
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
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    Wow, I think this is all five Bog Standard Sylphie Arguments in one post. Nice.

    I've healed UWU. I casted Stone hundreds of times while doing it.

    I cannot understand the raging HeALerS sHouLd HeAL OnLY consistent response to the so-simple-a-monkey-could-understand statement "pressing one button over and over and over again is boring".

    Because pressing one button over and over and over again. Is boring. Perhaps the developers could design the jobs in such a way that doesn't encourage that. But oh no, this thread topic couldn't be more true. Because we need to spend our time on the forums, arguing with ignoramuses who keep telling us "well just play it badly then!" as if that constituted an intelligent contribution.
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  10. #120
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    Irenia Ataska
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    I don't know how you can get 90% healing on pugs unless you literally don't ABC.
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