"I don't want to think while I play, so no one should be allowed to."

[Selvokaz]

all I'm hearing is
I want to play healer for healer privilege, but feel like my DPS is significant by having 7 or 8 buttons that all do damage on various scales. Because all content is too easy for me, and I feel I can do more, let me DPS hard guys, "I can do it",
Everyone else: oh my god you should be a tank or dps then, you'd be awesome at it.
"no I want to be a healer and get those instant queues and get all those recommendations for having top DPS."
Everyone else: No one is giving you recommendations for DPSing though.
"it's because I don't have enough dps actions."
Everyone else: You realize White Mages historically only ever had Holy as an offensive spell right? The devs went the extra distance and made up stuff about elementals and nature magic to give you even more offense than you usually had.
"I don't care about your lore, or previous Final Fantasy games. I think I should be able to do Smite, Mind Blast, cast Death, and Holy Fire people."
Everyone else: What the hell is that?
"Cool stuff I imagined a White Mage could do"
Everyone else: Okay, so shields fall off near-instantly, yet they negate damage all the same, if you have time to DPS you have time to reapply a shield to the tank who is always getting hit, especially when he has no more CD's to burn.
"I don't have anything to do."
Everyone else: Did you not just hear what I said?
"I can do DPS instead"
Everyone else: The tank might be more appreciative of not having to be healed if you keep the shield up, especially during big pulls.
"I'm not a scholar or sage."
Everyone Else: So you are literally just complaining about White Mage who is the most basic of basic healers who canonically did nothing but heal / raise / buff until they learned Holy sometimes called "White" Cause every other healer has something else they could be doing besides just spamming DPS.
"No this is for all healers, all healer lives matter."
Everyone else: AST has 25 unique abilities, six of which deal damage. Scholar has 27 five of which are offensive, sage has 24 unique abilities, 5 of which are damage dealing, White Mage has 25 unique abilities, 5 of which deal damage. So most of them have 5 attacks you can rotate through given certain situations, yet you'd rather have their single target spell be split into a 2 button combo, their AOE split into a 3 button combo?
"Yes."
Everyone else: I assume you prefer to be paid in quarters and not dollars also.
"Yes, I mean no. What does that have to do with anything?"
Everyone Else: Glare 3 Potency 310, Fire IV potency 310, Jolt II potency 310... Holy potency 150, Fire 2 potency 140. Veraero II/Verthunder II potency 140. Are you starting to see a pattern yet?
"But they have more buttons to push."
E. Else: They are also NOT the healer.
"What's the point of the healer then."
E. Else: <Insert Samuel L Jackson> Heal muther***** can you do it?!
"Yeah."
E. Else: Okay then, congratulations you got the easy job of keeping the rest of us monkeys alive.

[Nizzi]

I'll still think of you as someone who believes direct insults without context or explanation are adequate responses to forum posts.

You'll think of me?

Everyone else: You realize White Mages historically only ever had Holy as an offensive spell right? The devs went the extra distance and made up stuff about elementals and nature magic to give you even more offense than you usually had.
"I don't care about your lore, or previous Final Fantasy games. I think I should be able to do Smite, Mind Blast, cast Death, and Holy Fire people."

So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!

[aveyond-dreams]

So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!

Lore is not on their side here. White Mages (and Scholars) have had various offensive options across the mainline series and pretending otherwise in order to justify the current state of healers in 90% of content is an argument that doesn't hold up.

[DPZ2]

You'll think of me?

"O loveliest of branches, please grant me your succor!"

Darn it! Where's Feo Ul when you need them?

[Selvokaz]

You'll think of me?





So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!

Yes, because the game's lore is the core of it and its job classes, it's a MAGIC CLASS like other magic classes that use one button to do the heavy part of their damage with similar if not superior potency is why they only need 1 button. They aren't monks, they don't run combos. If anything is a symbol of their strength that they only need 1 button and have comparable power to other MAGIC JOBS. Suggestions like "give healers more combat options." get shot down because there is no grounds for it. White Mages are NOT offensive powerhouses, be thankful they are as powerful offensively as they are period. In any Main series Final Fantasy a after maybe the 3rd game white mages had some secondary mechanic to give them more flavor. in 4 Rosa had Archery skills meaning she was an Archer White Mage, in 7 Aerith had limit breaks, in 8 Rinoa had Angelo, in 9 Garnet had summons, and in 10 Yuna had summons.

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

[LittleImp]

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play.

What if someone fell in love with the role in HW/SB, and are disappointed at the more recent direction that has fundamentally altered how the role plays? How is the role undergoing vast changes from its original incarnationnot a game problem?

That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind.

Even healing in Ultimate consists of spamming one damage button 99% of the time. The design around healing actually isn't that different from all the content elsewhere in the game, it's just fatal if you don't mitigate it properly, which is a collective responsibility for the entire party and not unique to healers. Otherwise it's still a matter of using the exact same heals at the exact same time every pull, while spamming one button the absolute vast majority of the time.

[Selvokaz]

What if someone fell in love with the role in HW/SB, and are disappointed at the more recent direction that has fundamentally altered how the role plays? How is the role undergoing vast changes from its original incarnationnot a game problem?


Even healing in Ultimate consists of spamming one damage button 99% of the time. The design around healing actually isn't that different from all the content elsewhere in the game, it's just fatal if you don't mitigate it properly, which is a collective responsibility for the entire party and not unique to healers. Otherwise it's still a matter of using the exact same heals at the exact same time every pull, while spamming one button the absolute vast majority of the time.

And? you hit the one dps (one of at least 2 that you have) button you have, did you or anyone else die during said content and you brought them back? Did you still clear? Did you contribute 5% or more damage to taking down the boss? if it's yes to any of these then again congratulations its working as intended.
No one here has yet said anything about why the healer jobs legit need to all of a sudden be a special case separate from every other caster.

[Theox]

And? you hit the one dps (one of at least 2 that you have) button you have, did you or anyone else die during said content and you brought them back? Did you still clear? Did you contribute 5% or more damage to taking down the boss? if it's yes to any of these then again congratulations its working as intended.
No one here has yet said anything about why the healer jobs legit need to all of a sudden be a special case separate from every other caster.

This is so embarrassing. Please just do not engage in any healer conversation. You're not contributing to the conversation. Go back to clearing the dead ends or whatever, just please stay out of healer discussion with people who are 20 steps ahead of you in their knowledge of the game and their skill level.

[Sebazy]

And? you hit the one dps (one of at least 2 that you have) button you have, did you or anyone else die during said content and you brought them back? Did you still clear? Did you contribute 5% or more damage to taking down the boss? if it's yes to any of these then again congratulations its working as intended.

Where to start =(

Pugs and random deaths/vulns make little to no difference to our cast ratio if you know your kit and timers well. That goes for all levels of content.

In casual stuff like Aglaia, normal modes and arguably even Extremes and the first floor of Savage, you're just not pressured on your oGCDs. You can top the people that need to be topped whilst continuing to pulverise the nuke button because the healing requirements are typically so low that you're not having to rotate everything on CD to keep the group topped. Even in P4S P1 I would throw a Tetra on the Holmganging Warrior eating a tank buster simply because there was nothing else whatsoever to use it on.

In top end content such as the harder Savage floors and Ultimates you generally can't afford fails at all. Best case you eat a damage down and run the risk of failing to beat enrage, worst case the mechanic just kills the player and wipes the group.

In both cases, much of the time it's irrelevant anyway because splash healing can cover it. Someone eaten a stack but Assize is up in a 10 seconds? It's not a problem.

And over shielding tanks is just a huge waste of time in modern content. Dungeon trash pulls hit harder than almost anything else in this game now. It's genuinely hilarious.

No one here has yet said anything about why the healer jobs legit need to all of a sudden be a special case separate from every other caster.

We've repeated it multiple times throughout multiple threads. You're just too set on your obstinate little path to see it and you clearly have about as much interest in anyone else's opinion as you do in getting good.

[Irenia]

I don't know how you can get 90% healing on pugs unless you literally don't ABC.