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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    Sidequests in the zone revealed that the remaining royal family was destroyed by rampant machina and then the role quest went on to reveal that there were some members of the senate that survived. Garlemald will be neutered into being another cookie cutter democracy and the writers will then pivot away from it because if the role quest was any indication, they cannot wait to be done with Garlemald's involvement in the plot.

    No Larsa to lead the empire into brighter days like back in FFXII's ending, just the same stale preaching.
    I'll preface by saying I have a hearty dislike of monarchies, and that a nation's people can never truly be "free" while denied basic democractic process. That being said...

    I think it's especially important that Garlemald's "royal" family are relieved of their duty. Established scarcely more than sixty years ago, from the first, they were only ever intended as puppeteers to mastermind the manipulation of Garlemald into causing chaos and strife on the world stage, and exploiting the Garlean's previous sense of vulnerability to their own ends. Though they've enjoyed propserity under rule, Garlemald has never been "free"; they went from one form of subjugation to another, even if they weren't fully aware of it (though some clearly were.) For them to truly start anew and break away from their past, I think it better that their fate be placed truly, squarely in their own hands for the first time than those of another ruler, no matter how benevolent. They deserve that much, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    I'll preface by saying I have a hearty dislike of monarchies, and that a nation's people can never truly be "free" while denied basic democractic process. That being said...

    I think it's especially important that Garlemald's "royal" family are relieved of their duty. Established scarcely more than sixty years ago, from the first, they were only ever intended as puppeteers to mastermind the manipulation of Garlemald into causing chaos and strife on the world stage, and exploiting the Garlean's previous sense of vulnerability to their own ends. Though they've enjoyed propserity under rule, Garlemald has never been "free"; they went from one form of subjugation to another, even if they weren't fully aware of it (though some clearly were.) For them to truly start anew and break away from their past, I think it better that their fate be placed truly, squarely in their own hands for the first time than those of another ruler, no matter how benevolent. They deserve that much, at least.
    That's great and all but we are talking about a fictional fantasy world, not real life. Even then under the so called "democracies" upward mobility and true freedom is impossible seeing as how the population of FFXIV's world is in a medieval state where literacy and access to higher education is extremely scarce. In any case, the Garlean monarchy still represented the best interests of Garlemald despite the underlying motives and under Solus they knew the most competent government they ever had, with the crowning achievement of previous regimes being the forced retreat all the way into a frozen wasteland.

    A benevolent dictatorship (see: Larsa, Ashe, Garnet, etc) would be more beneficial for them and make for a more interesting world than the continued preaching of real world values into the game's world. Do you really think that the senate members just magically turned good after the fall of the empire? They probably still harbor nationalistic motives and other values you disagree with. Evil works best in packs, not as individuals. However, put the power in the hands of someone who leans more benevolent and things just might actually improve. However it's not like we'll see the senate members or the mythical Larsa anyway. Too hard to write, give new Taco Bell scene in 6.2 instead plz
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 06-18-2022 at 07:52 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    That's great and all but we are talking about a fictional fantasy world, not real life. Even then under the so called "democracies" upward mobility and true freedom is impossible seeing as how the population of FFXIV's world is in a medieval state where literacy and access to higher education is extremely scarce. In any case, the Garlean monarchy still represented the best interests of Garlemald despite the underlying motives and under Solus they knew the most competent government they ever had, with the crowning achievement of previous regimes being the forced retreat all the way into a frozen wasteland.

    A benevolent dictatorship (see: Larsa, Ashe, Garnet, etc) would be more beneficial for them and make for a more interesting world than the continued preaching of real world values into the game's world. Do you really think that the senate members just magically turned good after the fall of the empire? They probably still harbor nationalistic motives and other values you disagree with. Evil works best in packs, not as individuals. However, put the power in the hands of someone who leans more benevolent and things just might actually improve. However it's not like we'll see the senate members or the mythical Larsa anyway. Too hard to write, give new Taco Bell scene in 6.2 instead plz
    I agree with this, particularly in a fantasy context, I'd rather see a plurality of regimes, and I've little attachment to the notion of all of them being turned into democracies. Granted, with Garlemald it would be a reversion to being a republic, rather than an entirely new direction, but with that said, I'd hoped they'd take Garlemald in the Archades direction in terms of its government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaxia View Post
    I think it's especially important that Garlemald's "royal" family are relieved of their duty. Established scarcely more than sixty years ago, from the first, they were only ever intended as puppeteers to mastermind the manipulation of Garlemald into causing chaos and strife on the world stage, and exploiting the Garlean's previous sense of vulnerability to their own ends. Though they've enjoyed propserity under rule, Garlemald has never been "free"; they went from one form of subjugation to another, even if they weren't fully aware of it (though some clearly were.) For them to truly start anew and break away from their past, I think it better that their fate be placed truly, squarely in their own hands for the first time than those of another ruler, no matter how benevolent. They deserve that much, at least.
    Agreed. I wouldn't mind finding out more about Garlemald's recent history, but for all the lauding I've seen of Varis, he was an absolutely abysmal leader in every single respect you can possibly imagine and really showed the problems inherent in a system where blood relation is seen as conferring the right to be in charge of a country. I can't see the people that have survived to see the rise and crash of a system of government like that in their lifetime rushing out to put the crown on whatever ninny with a drop of Emet-Selch's blood happens by.
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