Has anyone quit healing?

[Semirhage]

And for reference: "enjoy playing healers" means "enjoy healing". If we enjoyed dealing damage and complex damage rotations, we'd all be playing DPSers. What YOU seem to want is to be a DPSer with some oGCD heals so you can benefit from healer ques.

Ah, we get to your actual point- for all your bellyaching about personal attacks, you Sylphies always like accusing me of not being a "real" healer, of being just a DPS who wants fast queues.

I've played support roles in nearly every RPG, MMO or otherwise, that I've played since childhood. You know what healers spend most of their time doing in those RPGs? It's not healing. This is yet more "HeALeRs ShOULd HeAL onLy, it's in the name!" folderol. You know why it's okay that your healers have few attacks in single-player Final Fantasy games? Because they're lousy with buffs and debuffs that matter. Because difficult encounters are one and done, not things you do on repeat for tomestones. Because you have a whole party to manage, so you're not just spamming one attack spell over and over again; you've got another two or three party members to deal with. In more tactical RPGs? Oh boy. You've got buffs and debuffs along with a galaxy of other things you could be doing on top of that. Healing DOES happen. You keep your party alive, and you feel good when you do it. That doesn't mean you're constantly spamming Medica. It doesn't mean every encounter rides your healing resources to the bone.

Healers are fun because they allow you to multitask and make impactful decisions. Nerfing oGCDs to oblivion to "force" healers to spam GCD heals like they're "supposed" to makes them *slightly* less boring, but not significantly so. You're still barely making decisions. There's still very little variety in your gameplay. What Sylphies utterly refuse to engage with is the idea that not healing isn't something that evil mustache-twirling DPS mains masquerading as healers for fast queues enjoy doing. It's also the success state for being good at it. The reward for being successful should never, ever be Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare. That's rewarding skill with tedium. It's bad. Game. Design.

[Silverbane]

It's bad. Game. Design.

FFXIV has overtaken WoW in terms of the number of subscribers, and is SE's most profitable game.
So expect more of the same kind of "bad. Game. Design" in the future,
Because the subs and profits matter way more than your amateur opinion on game design does.

[ty_taurus]

FFXIV has overtaken WoW in terms of the number of subscribers, and is SE's most profitable game.
So expect more of the same kind of "bad. Game. Design" in the future,
Because the subs and profits matter way more than your amateur opinion on game design does.

It's almost like a game isn't exclusively just good or bad, but can actually be a combination of positive and negative qualities, but also that having positive qualities isn't an excuse for the negative qualities, especially for a game that continues to be developed beyond its initial launch.

[ASkellington]

FFXIV has overtaken WoW in terms of the number of subscribers, and is SE's most profitable game.
So expect more of the same kind of "bad. Game. Design" in the future,
Because the subs and profits matter way more than your amateur opinion on game design does.

And even so I would still say that as far as class design goes, not even just healer, WoW is by far the better MMORPG.

Just looking at healer?

We'll take Priest alone. Tell me how another MMORPG with spec based design can make Holy Priest and Discipline Priest feel and play completely different,

yet AST and WHM here in FFXIV functionally play exactly the same because SE can't be half arsed to make AST into a complete Heal over Time Healer now that its lost its hybrid identity of shield/pure healer simply because "learning how to HoT heal over burst heal is harder for the average player".

All of AST and WHM's GCDs are the same for no reason. Celestial Intersection and Divine Bension are the same for no. good. reason. And AST already has been set up in future abilities (Exaltation, Macrocosmos, Earthly Star) to have a completely different heal style that the other healers do not have (delayed healing) why not fix the rest of its kit to reflect that?

And that is just a small part of the issue I have with FFXIV's healers.

And no. "Go play WoW" isn't an answer to the argument because

1. AST and WHM actually play differently in PvP

and 2. It doesn't fix the problem the game actually has: their class design needs work.

I wouldn't care if dungeons were piss easy if I found classes in the game to be fun regardless of it.

[Silverbane]

And even so I would still say ...

Yet another game designer wannabe says the professionals creating one of the world's most successful MMORPGs are doing it wrong.
<yawn>

[ASkellington]

Yet another game designer wannabe says the professionals creating one of the world's most successful MMORPGs are doing it wrong.
<yawn>

Said "professionals" don't even play the very role I main hence why it is garbage.

And I'll also say that when it comes to praising FFXIV it isn't the gameplay people speak of. It is the story.

Fact is, yes. I do know better about my role than they do because I actively play it, I actively main it and they do not.

[LeonKeyh]

And even so I would still say that as far as class design goes, not even just healer, WoW is by far the better MMORPG.

Just looking at healer?

We'll take Priest alone. Tell me how another MMORPG with spec based design can make Holy Priest and Discipline Priest feel and play completely different,

yet AST and WHM here in FFXIV functionally play exactly the same because SE can't be half arsed to make AST into a complete Heal over Time Healer now that its lost its hybrid identity of shield/pure healer simply because "learning how to HoT heal over burst heal is harder for the average player".

All of AST and WHM's GCDs are the same for no reason. Celestial Intersection and Divine Bension are the same for no. good. reason. And AST already has been set up in future abilities (Exaltation, Macrocosmos, Earthly Star) to have a completely different heal style that the other healers do not have (delayed healing) why not fix the rest of its kit to reflect that?

And that is just a small part of the issue I have with FFXIV's healers.

And no. "Go play WoW" isn't an answer to the argument because

1. AST and WHM actually play differently in PvP

and 2. It doesn't fix the problem the game actually has: their class design needs work.

I wouldn't care if dungeons were piss easy if I found classes in the game to be fun regardless of it.

There are so many cool things they could do with AST given its theme. Imagine AST having a bunch of HoTs that could stack with each other with an ability that "speeds up time" which will remove HoTs and heal based on the number of HoTs on the target. Something like Excog would fit in with the AST theme a bit more, basically hitting a certain health and "going back in time" to before the damage was taken essentially (I supposed Macrocosmos is the version of that).

I don't know how you're saying this with such confidence when neither game releases their sub numbers, lmao

Silverbane is a troll and has shown it over and over in the General Discussion version of this thread. You can be confident whenever you're just spilling BS and don't worry about providing any sort of actual argument outside of "No u."

[Rolder50]

FFXIV has overtaken WoW in terms of the number of subscribers, and is SE's most profitable game.
So expect more of the same kind of "bad. Game. Design" in the future,
Because the subs and profits matter way more than your amateur opinion on game design does.

I don't know how you're saying this with such confidence when neither game releases their sub numbers, lmao