Has anyone quit healing?

[Renathras]

What, the freecure proc?
And I mean, if you're a thumbsucker, more power to you.

When you can ask this question without an insult, I may offer an answer.

Except the entire healer role, the tank role, and, slowly, but surely, the DPS role...

Except not really at all.

The problem with people like you is that you have major difficulty accepting that there are players of differing skill levels, from the lowest to the highest, and any reference to there being such is seen as a personal attack against you, whether or not you are the actual target of such words.

EDIT:

These things are not inherently bad things, but they all need to be considered and incorporated into the design, not just the lowest factors.

Which is...what I've continually been proposing.

Juggling DPS is part of the multi-tasking, so if you admit one is a part, then so is the other by default.

No, it really isn't. It CAN BE, based on the healer design, but it doesn't NEED to be, and in many games, isn't. Since this was talking about MMOs in general, not just FFXIV. A few examples offhand would be making resource management a thing to juggle (which we technically do - and not just MP - it's just largely automatic since we're MOSTLY awash in resources like Addersgall and *giggle* Faerie Gauge - most worthless thing in existence...) or making rolling buffs a thing - for example, if AST Cards were GCDs instead of oGCDs, though I know you'd hate that, and buffing was actually a direct part of their GCD playstyle. I remember an era of WoW where there was constant raidwide tick damage, so the Druid healers of the raid would "roll" HoTs across the rad and stack several on tanks.

These are all things to juggle that aren't DPS or DPS related.

That's because the rotation is the constant. The oGCDs woven in are not necessarily constant, and, therefore, don't get included in the rotation.

That's because healers...do not have...a damage "rotation". Dia isn't a constant (no DoTs are), instead being refreshed on a timer. oGCDs ARE BUTTON PRESSES. I would HOPE we can at least agree on that. So when we're talking APM (which is what we should be talking about), they actually count. You can't ignore those or we have to ignore between half and 3/4ths of all DPSer and Tank kits as well since they are likewise oGCDs.

Though, AGAIN, this is why I feel we should have healers with variable kits (the short version of my suggestion is WHM remain as is, AST get a 1-2-3 rotation like MCH with a DoT in there for funzies, SCH get 3-5 DoTs with actual interactions like Fester and Bane and potency that scales based on other DoT timers and a DoT you don't keep up all the time [something with a CD] that you use before Fester to boost its damage), and for SGE to get a RDM-like caster rotation making it more like a WoW Disc Priest or RIFT Chloromancer that heals by moving Kardia around and performing its DPS rotation, possibly with some CDs that do things like boost Kardia healing (like it has) or making the Kardia healing AOE, etc. Basically remove all of its heals other than its GCD heals (as emergency backups) and forcing it to heal by doing a DPS rotation.

Apparently only as much as you can't help yourself from drawing conclusions from nothing and being offended for others like an SJW glued to their twitter feed.

Are you talking to me or your mirror?

Oh, by the by: This one counts as a personal attack.

If it didn't matter to you as to whether or not I did care before you made your emotionally charged statement, why does whether or not I know matter to you now?
With that in mind, I stand by my statements.

My original post that you replied to by quoting me...wasn't to you. I literally quoted someone else. Unless this is an alt?

Regardless, you're unwise to "stand by" your statement, then. Hating something just because of your (not even correct) perception about the person proposing it, when you don't even know what it is or if it agrees with your own position/compromises with your own position in any way, is just foolish.

The part where you say "it's the only take," which it's not. The part where you also seem to think you know what I want, assume what everyone else wants, but, in fact, you don't exactly know. Also the part where you seem to think you know better and try to speak with authority but resort to attacking others only to be offended when someone turns it back on you or decides to speak in opposition even when not specifically against you.

Is this an alt? Because again, I didn't originally reply to you.

As to the take - I was saying the Devs have already said they WOULDN'T do what you're asking for. That means it isn't on the list of viable alternatives to discuss.

As for "assuming" what everyone wants - you guys have literally said what you want in these posts. I didn't have to ASSUME anything, I just had to read your words. Unless you were lying? Assuming you've all been saying what you want honestly, there's no assumption on my part, just basic reading.

I don't "seem to think I know better". I think we're equals discussing a topic of mutual importance who all have different but generally valid perspectives. Where have I ever outright said anyone doesn't know what they're talking about or shouldn't be allowed to take part? In general, where have I attacked others? I've attacked people's arguments or positions. And no one has "turned it back on" me. People engaging in personal attacks are doing so based on their own initiatives. I try really hard not to just namecall or personally attack people, especially not in an initial reply quote where I try to focus on addressing their positions and seeing if there is common ground or refuting positions that I think are in error or might be missing key points/nuance that is important.

Nah, they didn't say that at all, actually. But if it makes you feel better, I doubt they'd ever give me what it is that I actually want, better still that they'll likely not give you what you're proposing.

They gave us ShB healing, doubled down on it in EW, and have responded to questions about changes with "Just play Ultimate". I'm pretty sure that's sufficient for us to know they've made their intentions here known. I think they even DID say something about not planning to or wanting to revert healing.

And you're right, they won't likely give us what I'm proposing. I'm not sure why you say "better still" since my position gives you half of what you want and the status quo gives you none of what you want. You hate me so much, you'd spite your own self getting some of what you want just because you think it would hurt me? And the irony is...I'm perfectly happy with what we have now and am only making my proposal FOR THE SAKE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, so if they don't give us what I'm proposing, it hurts me none at all.

Your "better still" is you spiting YOURSELF thinking you're spiting me, when the outcome you say (thinking it hurts me) is exactly what I'm perfectly happy with. Seriously, what the actual hell? o.O

I have news for you: that's not the alternative to your proposal, that is the current state of the game, and has been for years.

...that's...what makes it the alternative. The options at present are not "what you want vs what I want". They're "what we have now vs what I propose for your sake vs what you want", with "what you want" being off the table per the Devs. I'm not sure how you're not getting this.

Meanwhile, there are other proposals out there that provide compromises that are much easier to implement and also easier to swallow for both sides, some that don't even interfere with the current state of affairs (except to allow more growth), but those likely won't be considered either. And that's the real shame.

Oh, there ARE other alternatives. Few provide compromises, as they do not compromise with people who like the current system other than saying "Well, you don't have to run Savage, so you can do no DPS and just never get any clears". Note that this is, again, something the Devs have said via their actions they do not want (people overwhelmed with healing DPS kits or that the DPS kits are so complex that people simply avoid clearing or even trying higher end content). Moreover, the "compromises" are not "much easier to implement". If they were, we would already have them. They also are not "much easier to swallow for both sides", considering my compromise literally gives you what you want, just only on SOME of the healer Jobs while leaving ONE - not four, not three, not even two; ONE - for people that like the current system. You cannot get a more easy to swallow for both sides position than the proposal I've made!

Moreover, the positions you're fond of - the other proposals - DO change the current state of affairs. They would once again see many people leave the Extreme/Savage content entirely. Some being people who can't handle the DPS kits, some being people who would find them too stressful, some being those who don't enjoy DPSing in general, and some being kicked for not doing it good enough. We'd also see far more toxicity in DF in general since healers that do not use the full DPS kit or don't do so well would be berated in party chat - they very reason they changed it to ShB in the first place!

That's why your position and those other proposals (which are mostly some variation on "make healer DPS on par with SMN/RDM DPS, but for ALL healers, and tell anyone who doesn't like that to play another game" to put it in a nutshell for simplicity) will never be implemented.

That's why my proposal IS the middle ground compromise position.

But, as you say, the Devs probably won't enact it.

...because people like you would still complain that you didn't get EVERYthing.

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But you know, I'm going to bow out here, I think. There's no point in continuing this discussion because you've shown YOU are the one uncompromising in position..and the Devs are never going to read this anyway. And if they did, they'd see you and those like you rejecting the true compromise position, and so never enact it. /shrug
I've literally never once had difficulty accepting that, nor have I stated anything in ANY of my posts. Quite the opposite. I've even advocated for different healers to have different skill floors and ceilings/levels of difficulties PRECISELY TO ADDRESS players of different skill levels. Are you actually reading ANY of my posts before replying, I wonder...?

What I call personal attacks are when you make personal attacks. Generally against me, but also more indirectly like suggesting that "thumb suckers" are the only ones who would like anything that I like or think is interesting.