Is no one happy?

[KizuyaKatogami]

People verbally flipping the bird and calling others a troll for having a different opinion, yeah real constructive and polite. Not saying you did those things, but they happened to me today, again.

The fact of the matter is this. The vast majority of complaints on these forums are so petty and so tiny. I think a lot people playing this game don't know what a bad mmo actually is.

I guess an entire role getting gutted and ignored is petty and tiny. I guess a race waiting 3 years for new hairs only to get 6 hairs that cut off their racial features is petty and tiny. I guess losing out on an entire dungeons worth of gear, most gear in a new expansion being reused and undyable, and almost every job being simplified is petty and tiny... Totally no problems here keep moving on.

As for toxicity, all i can say is i personally find the forums much better than reddit, where when i give constructive criticism im met with racial and homophobic slurs, and people who stalk me and make alt accounts just to harass me and be homophobic/sexist because i dare criticize this amazing game.

[Amenara]

People verbally flipping the bird and calling others a troll for having a different opinion, yeah real constructive and polite. Not saying you did those things, but they happened to me today, again.

The fact of the matter is this. The vast majority of complaints on these forums are so petty and so tiny. I think a lot people playing this game don't know what a bad mmo actually is.

Having read what you are talking about, sure people probably went a bit overboard but you have to understand their thought was you were commenting on something without knowing the context or even understanding what the complaint was. To them you look like a troll because of that.

And I disagree about the "vast majority" being petty or tiny. In my eyes there are a lot of threads complaining about the same things because multiple people see a problem big enough that they need to come to the forums to try and voice their opinion on it. Whether you agree or disagree is fine, just understand where someone is coming from in a complaint so you can come up with arguments for/against it in an informed manner.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I guess an entire role getting gutted and ignored is petty and tiny.

Huh? What role was gutted? I assume healing, because I keep seeing a lot of posts from folks who seem to want to just be DPS with an instant queue.

I guess a race waiting 3 years for new hairs only to get 6 hairs that cut off their racial features is petty and tiny.

Yes. I am going to call that one petty and tiny. If you were stuck with one hair style then I would get it. You aren't.

I guess losing out on an entire dungeons worth of gear, most gear in a new expansion being reused and undyable,

I have no idea what you are talking about with the first bit. I am casual, after all. I also am still probably new enough to not care, at all, about reused gear and if something is undyable I either wear it as is, or find something else. Quite petty and also tiny I would say.

and almost every job being simplified is petty and tiny... Totally no problems here keep moving on.

I would be lying if I said I had heard zero complaints of jobs being "dumbed down" in game. But Ive also heard plenty of people saying "oh yeah I like the new AST for Endwalker" or more recently, SAM lost an ability or something? IDK, but again enough people Ive talked to in game who either didnt know about this or did not care, that im gonna go ahead and slide this one over to tiny and petty too.

As for toxicity, all i can say is i personally find the forums much better than reddit, where when i give constructive criticism im met with racial and homophobic slurs, and people who stalk me and make alt accounts just to harass me and be homophobic/sexist because i dare criticize this amazing game.

Stalking and harassment here, reddit, or anywhere is inexcusable and awful. Im sorry that happened to you.

[MintnHoney]

Huh? What role was gutted? I assume healing, because I keep seeing a lot of posts from folks who seem to want to just be DPS with an instant queue.

If that's what you think, you need to get hooked on phonics and try looking at the complaints again.
Then again, considering the rest of your comments, you seem to be extremely short-sighted, so I suppose it can't be helped.

[Saraide]

People verbally flipping the bird and calling others a troll for having a different opinion, yeah real constructive and polite. Not saying you did those things, but they happened to me today, again.

The fact of the matter is this. The vast majority of complaints on these forums are so petty and so tiny. I think a lot people playing this game don't know what a bad mmo actually is.

You're not being called a troll for having a different opinion, you're being called a troll for the tone deaf way of voicing your opinion.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I guess your whole thing is saying forums bad cuz they complain huh.

Mostly my whole thing is using sarcasm as a coping mechanism for general exhaustion and burnout over the world at large, especially over the last few years, but that's neither here nor there.

But less flippantly, my point was that any attempt at actually discussing anything is getting buried behind people who endlessly repeat the same complaints in every thread, which not only kills discussion and leads to the entire place feeling negative, it's also just boring. But Twelve forbid they actually be told that, because apparently their right to repeat themselves at the expense of talking about literally anything else is sacred and anyone who disagrees is a troll/white knight/whatever other meme insult they feel like pulling out.

[OdinelStarrei]

Huh?

Yes. I am going to call that one petty and tiny. If you were stuck with one hair style then I would get it. You aren't.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the first bit. I am casual, after all. I also am still probably new enough to not care, at all, about reused gear and if something is undyable I either wear it as is, or find something else. Quite petty and also tiny I would say.

I would be lying if I said I had heard zero complaints of jobs being "dumbed down" in game. But Ive also heard plenty of people saying "oh yeah I like the new AST for Endwalker" or more recently, SAM lost an ability or something? IDK, but again enough people Ive talked to in game who either didnt know about this or did not care, that im gonna go ahead and slide this one over to tiny and petty too.

Who are you to straight up marginalize what people care about? As if your personal anecdotes are going to make the game more fun for me, or return the game back to how it was in HW/SB. Do you even understand that vast amounts of the good things about FFXIV are the direct result of people in the community voicing concerns and the developers ACTUALLY RESPONDING before things reach a breaking point that cause people to unsubscribe? How do you even think 2.0 happened?

This is the same garbage happened to WoW, a slow gradual slide into worse class design, a story that makes less sense, a complete disregard for sections of the playerbase, and people who say "NOTHING IS WRONG, YOU ARE TOXIC" it's literally the exact same thing.

You people need to realize that this "amazing, top tier" mmo was BUILT off the playerbase that was here before you WoW people came in and started fellating the dev team for treating people like basic human beings. We already had a problem with idolization and overcentralization around a single person compared to the hundreds it takes to make this game. Now that a developer isn't straight up urinating in your mouth, you're blind to the ACTUAL issues that a lot of us have been fighting against for half a decade for the sake of a better game, such as the latency, job design, or botting problems. The game is still good, but it CAN be better! I'm not going to settle when we've been in better, more fun spots in the past.

You don't need to be casual, or hardcore, a veteran or a new player to grasp this. If you can't even empathize, at a bare minimum, sympathize with those of us who feel like the game we have loved for six or more years is constantly being eroded away, or those of us that mourn the complete deletion of entire jobs styles and systems that we were really attached to, or for those of us that fight and expect more from our game that "better than WoW lmao" than then you really do belong in the Reddit echo chamber. At least we try to get things changed for the better in this trash heap of a forum.

[Hurlstone]

Ironically the forums weren't this bad last year.

That is a fair point. I think that may do with the fact we have more players now then ever. Also think the whole situation with housing has hit a particular nerve... personally speaking, its about the only think I have passionately and negatively spoken out against

[IkaraGreydancer]

If you consider it "toxic" to talk about places the game sorely needs improvements or changes in, in a constructive and politely critiquing manner, then you're honestly the toxic one in the equation.

Sorry not sorry.

But hey, least the mainsub will have one more toxic positivity crusader upvoting yet another generic catgirl anime-style commission, I guess?

Tries to defend the place by saying it isn't toxic...by being toxic. This is kinda what the issue is dude. Most of the crap here is just people taking shots and insulting others for differing opinions. Call spots like reddit bad if you want, but if I want to have fun with the community outside of the game that's the place to go. Not here. Positivity here gets strangled

[KizuyaKatogami]

Tries to defend the place by saying it isn't toxic...by being toxic. This is kinda what the issue is dude. Most of the crap here is just people taking shots and insulting others for differing opinions. Call spots like reddit bad if you want, but if I want to have fun with the community outside of the game that's the place to go. Not here. Positivity here gets strangled

These forums are meant to be a place for criticism. So obviously its not going to always be rainbows and sunshine. Reddit is literally just as bad except the opposite. This place might be all about criticism, but that place is nothing but toxic positivity where if you disagree or critique at all, you get blasted for it. I've had it happen personally as i already stated here.